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Oil pressure, oil filter, oil problems?

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Thanks all

 Gonna spend some time and money to rule out everything I can before calling it bearings...

Started looking for a replacement cover and everyone seems to list just one; I know 87 and up uses a different filter from 86 and before...
So does anyone know if, as I assume, the new covers are threaded for the newer style filters?




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Make no assumptions.  I think the difference is in the double ended fitting that threads in to the aluminum housing.  
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The covers are the same. Like SC397 I'm pretty sure the only difference is the double ended threaded filter fitting. Even if it's not, the angled oil filter adapter/pump cover will fit all. I don't know if the new timing cover comes with the adapter/cover, but I'd think so. It's possible that the machined surface where the filter fits is different between filter styles -- different diameter or passages -- but not likely. I'm looking at the 67 TSM as I type -- I'm more of a six man myself, been a while since I built an AMC V-8, and I haven't had to change timing covers on one, all I've built checked out good. 
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 Frank, Rick

I always appreciate you guys replying.
Everyone else is appreciated as well.

 Changed just the filter and it , sadly, looks pretty good.

It was an STP filter and I found this website that cut open and disclosed the construction of a bunch of filters; it was putting them all up against the NAPA gold, so I can imagine who did the "test"

STP had the largest openings, so I assume that would lower pressure, right? Or could...

It had Wix / Napa GOld at the top of the heap, AC Delco and Bosch faired ok too ...
They were only looking at media and construction, not flow though.

 Since I have to change the gasket on the pump cover anyway, I am deciding whether to get a new cover or just the midplate kit .
 Any suggestions?

 And when I fix the cover/ gasket  I will do an oil change to either a heavier oil or oil plus Lucas additive.




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Rick has the experience with the V-8s to recommend what to do about the oil pump -- I don't. Wix has always been one of the best filters, and I think the NAPA Gold is sourced from Wix.

I can tell you that I like the Lucas oil stabilizer. It will help a little, and will quiet gears. I run half a quart every other oil change in my 1980 GS1000 bike (engine and trans share oil) and if I skip to three changes I can tell the difference in gear noise in the trans (well, it has 90-100K on it...). You can run up to a quart in an automatic transmission (if it holds at least 10 quarts total... 10-15% Lucas) and it will firm the shifting up just enough to notice without doing any damage. I ran it for years in a little M-35 air cooled trans in a 63 American with a hopped up 196 OHV (160-170 hp). I ran the axle in my current ride low in oil (darn pinion seal leak!!) and burned the gears just enough for them to make a little noise. Not much, but enough to notice in the station wagon. Wouldn't be near as bad in a sedan, but with the passenger compartment extending over the axle all the noise comes right in. I don't expect the Lucas to cut it out, but should make a noticeable difference... I hope.  Lucas says you can run it 100% in a differential, but I tried that once and it made more noise. No more than 50%, and I think 25-30% will be better. I drained the 100% and mixed it, don't recall what mix I used though. I'm going to go with 30-33% in the noisy one and see what happens, after I replace the seal.
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Originally posted by kensamc kensamc wrote:


 No orange filters ..... I swear. I read it on several forums, and I think Farna said here somewhere especially not for AMC....

 The filter that was on it was no name from the local quick lube place.
Currently an STP filter , because A-Zone only had Orange, KN, STP and AC I think.

 Gunk may be coming and going or something, but I worry that's wishfull thinking at this point, as it starts at 40 and drops when the engine reaches temp, which reads on other posts as the signs of cam or bearing wear.

 I am willing to pull the pump cover... the old thread even said you can change oil pump gears with the pump on the block, but I have never, and scared to mess it up .... SInce the gasket is leaking , I will
happily pull it off, but then don't know my next step.

15w 40 might be worth a shot, Carnuck .... what's the temp in January out there???

And is the high mileage oil Pennzoil sells worth a hoot?

Last time I was in Calgary, it was 40 below

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