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alexrains
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Posted: Mar/29/2017 at 1:14am |
Dear experts,
got proof now, that my 71 Jav AMX has a 290 in it (should have been a 360). Head casting is "3178453-1", which is easy to decode. But the character stamping says "AG" (capital) and there is no other date stamp (I mean that "clock" thing). 902H28 is the valve cover tag, so that would fit and tell me, it is a 1967 290 2bbl originally. Any hint, what AG is? Thank you, Alex. |
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farna
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Ya know, you may just have 290 heads and valve cover on a 360 block. Check number cast under motor mount plate (feel for it) and block casting number. Unless you want to pull a head and measure bore and stroke .
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alexrains
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Thank you.
Checking the head-casting, alongside the "290" cast on the block made me sure, I only have a tiny engine... might have been a 343 also, but isn´t. Reason why I did not believe the "290" on the block is, that the Jav has so many torques to give :-) It has more grunt, then the 400 in my Olds. But still please somebody enlighten me on the "AG" casting. |
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White70JavelinSST
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A 290 head has rectangular exhaust ports. Like in this photo below.
A 360 head will have dog leg exhaust ports. An over bore providing a bit more displacement and a wicked cam with higher compression will yield a small bore engine with a lot of grunt. AMC engines are noted for their torque producing capacity. The 70's Trans Am racing engines were limited to 305 cubic inches, not a whole lot more than an overbored 290 for cubic inch displacement. Those engines were tweaked seriously and produced upwards of 450 horsepower. |
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alexrains
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White70: thank you for bringing back hope.
Actually, I would not care that much, but it will be my wife´s car and she expects torque, acceleration and sound. She will like the TransAm example :-) If, by chance, anybody knows the meaning of "AG", please tell me. Thx, Alex. |
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Lyle
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Pure speculation here; Knorr Bremse "AG" did prototyping of stir casting techniques and were trying to break into the North American market. I cannot find a direct link to AMC but this stir casting purportedly would reduce weight by 30% so maybe AMC R&D did some test castings as this would be a big gain.
Weigh your heads and see how they measure up to factory spec.
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alexrains
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Interesting theory, will investigate further.
Thank you!
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alexrains
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In the 1920's, the predecesssor of BMW was a part of Knorr Bremse. But in the 60's, Knorr wasn't a stock company (german: Aktiengesellschaft = AG) anymore, but a limited company. So AG on head casting must mean something different. Sad, as the story became interesting, when one thinks about BMW's job on the AMX/3... Here are the castings: http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae190/alexrains/IMG-20170328-WA000.jpg http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae190/alexrains/IMG-20170328-WA001.jpg |
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alexrains
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Up with the thread, hoping for more info...
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Boris Badanov
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It's a 290.
I doubt it is anything special. I suppose you could pull a head bolt and confirm it is a 7/16-14 thread. It is possible to adapt 290 heads to the later high deck block with a little machining. 1970 and later are 1/2-13 threads. |
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