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Nick_m
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Posted: Aug/29/2014 at 3:07am |
Ok guys so i have a 1980 amc spirit with the 258 and a 3 speed auto.
I want some more power out of it no more than 300hp just because i want it as a driver too Some of the things im looking into: the clifford intake with weber 38 carb and clifford dual exhaust header but after some research im not sure what i want to do I guess my main question is where is a good place to start on the 258 (i want to keep it instead of swapping) I thought about doing a 4.0 head with better intake and exhaust and upgraded fuel injection or carb and upgrading the ignition... do you think that's a good start? I'm new to the straight six and i want it to be a fun driver with enough power... i might add im not looking for top speed im more looking to have fun at a red light or two... i like the low end from the 258 and want to build off of that Edited by Nick_m - Aug/29/2014 at 3:17am |
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SIXPAK
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If you are serious about doing a 4.0 head swap I would consider dropping in the whole 4.0 instead of just doing a head swap. if you swap the 4.0 head on the 258 block you have to plug some casting holes in the head otherwise it will leak water everywhere. And 4.0 heads have larger valves and with the smaller bore of the 258 (3.75 to the 3.88 of the 4.0) I am not saying just doing a head swap is not worth it because it is. I think you would be better off swapping the entire motor power wise. Now you could take the 4.0 head, block, and pistons and swap the 258 crank in and come up with a 275 inch motor.
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Wrambler
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If you want to
A. Keep the 258 B. Install 4.0L head Then I would C. use a 2002 up 4.0L head D. Use a Clifford, or Offenhouser dual port intake, perhaps a 2000 up efi intake swapped to carb? I've not seen any flow results with the last one, but it has been done. E. Find a set of what I call "bundle of snakes" 2000 up dual outlet shorty header. The bundle of snakes header is designed to work with the 2000 up head and even though the head has smaller exhaust ports some have stated it flows the best. And of course a cam of your choice. 300hp? I doubt it, but it will run good once you get it all sorted out. I would add that I would go with a 97-99 4.0L shortblock if I could fine one and the 2000 up head, being careful to avoid the ones that tend to crack. I forget what design symbol is but there was a redesign in 2002 and a lot of 2000-2002 engines were fixed with the newer head. |
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Snotty
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One ting I always caution about, will the smog laws in Illinois allow you to modify that motor and still keep it registered? I would advise checking into that before you do anything.
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purple72Gremlin
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Illnois doesnt test anything older than 1996.
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FSJunkie
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258 + 4.0L = 4.6 stroker.
Only thing I don't like about 4.0L's is they're noisy and don't produce good torque until 3000 RPM. All the Jeep guys love to say "...lots of low RPM torque..." when it comes to a 4.0L, but those that do have never driven a 258. I'd have to look at the torque curves, but I wouldn't be surprised if the 258 out-pulls the 4.0L below 2500 RPM. 258's just fall on their face above 3500 RPM. 232's rev out a little better. |
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Greyhounds_AMX
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The 4.0L swap sounds best to me too. You can use the factory headers, and that'll save some $$.
With a more agressive cam and a Clifford intake it'd be alot of fun. You'll need an electric fuel pump, and may want to switch to a 258 water pump to run a V-belt. Look to Sixpack for good tips - few people have built this engine to the level that he has. |
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carnuck
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The cure is a Baja Beast cam in the 4.0L or run the Renix timing set (it advances the cam timing about 4 degrees over the HO) |
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Rogue401
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Funny you should mention that they are noisy. Our 97 Cherokee has always been noisy compared to other AMC sixes we've had and don't seem as smooth. I've never been able to determine the noise. I think the injectors make noise. I've replaced the timing chain a couple of times and that helps a little but there is always mechanical and a "chain" noise from the pan. I think 300 horse would be very optimistic. That would be 1.18 horse per cube inch, a good number for a nice street V8
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