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    Posted: Dec/04/2017 at 1:49pm
If Edelbrock were going to design a new EFI intake manifold what (if any) suggestions do people here have for the new design?

I'll be going to a meeting on this subject this week and would like to get your input and ideas to talk about a new AMC V8 EFI intake development.

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An adjustable intake that you could configure for single 4150 mounting and dual 4150 flange ( dual tunnel ram ).

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At least two locations for temperature senders. One for the EFI ECU to use and one for a "gauge" on the dash. 
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I'm thinking MPI, dual throttle body with motor driven open/split plenum (like Honda had done with pre 2013 V6 motors).

It would make serious engines more street responsive by shifting torque curve when RPM is below 4K.

Plus if done modular style (like Honda) you can tune with adjustable runner configuration, by adding a multi port runner spacer, as the left and right bank runners from the heads meet dead center and offset, so a single runner spacer can be changed out in 25 minutes (no gasket sealer needed, uses a multi layer sandwiched steel gasket on both ends. The ease and speed comes from the main body being bolted to the runners not the heads, at its center.

Pretty slick yet for the money worth every penny for satisfying the masses, instead of limiting to a select group in particular.



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The same intake as they had with the Proflow injections
But with a 4150 plenum so the carb guys can use it as well ( Double the sales )


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I second that. 

If Edelbrock produced the Proflo with a 4150 top I think it would be the go to intake for most of the AMC crowd
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Originally posted by jcisworthy jcisworthy wrote:

I second that. 

If Edelbrock produced the Proflo with a 4150 top I think it would be the go to intake for most of the AMC crowd


Ditch the Torker and go with this idea!
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Originally posted by THE MENACE THE MENACE wrote:

If Edelbrock were going to design a new EFI intake manifold what (if any) suggestions do people here have for the new design?

I'll be going to a meeting on this subject this week and would like to get your input and ideas to talk about a new AMC V8 EFI intake development.

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I think Edelbrock should already have a good idea. I know we already went over the extra water spicket for the the drivers side. Plenum size was adequate after lowering the plenum height so the hood of an AMX could close using a lower drop air cleaner. Last but not least we ran a non ported EFI intake with a 4150 flange at the Engine Masters Challenge this year with no problems handling 7000 RPM and no problem supporting an extra 200HP over stock. Also tested the H.S. pedestal rockers and the exhaust to 7500 RPM. The intake widens the power range nicely and has a more efficient design.



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Originally posted by Lenni AMC Lenni AMC wrote:

The same intake as they had with the Proflow injections
But with a 4150 plenum so the carb guys can use it as well



Originally posted by Boris Badanov Boris Badanov wrote:

Originally posted by jcisworthy jcisworthy wrote:

I second that. 

If Edelbrock produced the Proflo with a 4150 top I think it would be the go to intake for most of the AMC crowd




Yeah, that idea is already at the top of my list as well!




Originally posted by pit crew pit crew wrote:

At least two locations for temperature senders. One for the EFI ECU to use and one for a "gauge" on the dash.



Not sure what you are saying here Ken. Our current Pro-Flow EFI intake has a location for the OE sender (1/8" pipe) on the far left side front of the intake for a gauge. The EFI manifold also has as a location on the right side front for the EFI coolant temp sensor to be installed. What am I missing?

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The only complaints I ever really heard about Edelbrock MPI was the control system didn't keep up with the times & not having the specialized support in place when unique problems arose. 

I don't know enough about programming MPI systems to offer much help here,

Would it be better to use/allow an existing/upgradable/open source system like Mega-Squirt?

Or maybe combine forces with a company that has the expertise and support structure already in place for a stand alone MPI system that could be adapted to any engine.

^assuming this would be for the next generation of Edelbrock MPI systems for more than just us.

Being able to run larger throttle bodies and injectors later to support more horsepower in the future is probably beyond what Edelbrock is marketing for,
but if the system is upgradable later it would appeal to people who think they'll want 750-1000hp later (even though most never will).
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