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    Posted: Nov/19/2016 at 8:17am
It seems the V8 model 20 rear ends for the Americans are just like the 'A' body Mopar 8 3/4's...few and far between.  Is there any reason you couldn't take a model 20 out of another car line and narrow it to the American width?  I've seen Dana 60's narrowed by grinding out the tube welds on the center section, pulling the tubes, shortening them, and reinstalling the tubes.  I would think that someone has axles available.  Thoughts?  Pipe dream?  Not enough sleep?
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It depends on how original you want your rear to look. Cutting the bearing ends and replacing with a better option like Ford, and obtaining solid axles would make it easier, but still will need to have alignment done when installing the ends.
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doctor diff has one piece axles  my son is running them in his Hornet hatchback

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Originally posted by matty 401 matty 401 wrote:

doctor diff has one piece axles  my son is running them in his Hornet hatchback



So axles wouldn't be a problem.
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Keep in mind the big body cars use coil springs and the smaller body cars use leafs.

Would be cool to see a coil spring rear in a small body car.

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Originally posted by Rebel Machine Rebel Machine wrote:

Keep in mind the big body cars use coil springs and the smaller body cars use leafs.



Aaah.  So you'd be better off starting with an AMX/Javelin rear so you had the spring perches.  Good point.
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I dont know how original you want it to look but I believe the factory american d be able diffs also used a 1 1/2 inch wide spring perch, the javelin and amx used a 2 inch wide perch. People seem to drill out the welds on a 8.8 so I would assume you can do it with a model 20
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Why would you put Ford ends on a AMC axle?   Ditch the 20 and get a currie 9...Way more options built any way you want.
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Originally posted by 401harry 401harry wrote:

Why would you put Ford ends on a AMC axle?   Ditch the 20 and get a currie 9...Way more options built any way you want.


Back when I made my decision to go with a Ford rear, they were a cheap option, now they are not so. Assuming he has a two piece carrier, and is willing to get once piece axles, modifying an AMC 20 to be stout would be less costly, and lighter. The Ford rear setup I got is a bit heavier, though my axle choice cuts on weight, being Truck axles are pretty heavy.

Though a good Ford setup IMO would be an option for a highly modified engine, as a stock engine or close to stock with a cam would be bling.
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I had the original AMC 20 rear narrowed in our 67 American for more tire clearance and used Ford bearing ends. It frees you up to use common axles, bearings and seals. Prior to this I used Mosure one piece AMC axles and IIRC they used an uncommon sealed "green bearing" that sealed with a bead of silicone and I always had trouble with it leaking. The other advantage to the ford axle flanges is you can use any common rear disc brake kit. There are a couple of Ford flange styles, but I used the one that accepted the common Ford Motorsport Explorer disc kit with the internal parking brake.

The set up worked great except the guy that narrowed it screwed up the carrier bearing alignment and it would wear the carrier bearings oval in 100 miles.

Now I have a 9" Ford out of a truck and I wish I didn't. It weighs a ton, It's hard to get gears that are quiet, It's less efficient and the rear of the housing is so deep, it moves the rear wheels forward to clear the gas tank and it's expensive. I wish I stayed with the AMC or maybe a Chrysler 8-3/4 or Ford 8.8.
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