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Sergeant_Fluffy_Duck 
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I was wondering if anyone would just happen to have any information on the Holley 2300. On my recently purchased '64 Rambler Classic 660 Wagon 287ci I took apart the fuel pump, cleaned it out, and put it back together so now the problem is with my carb flooding out the vents.
I haven't taken my carb apart yet other than the needle assembly which was sticking at both the top and bottom positions. I currently have it soaking in carb cleaner hoping I can dissolve whatever particles are making it stick. I've dealt with 4 barrel Holleys but never the 2 barrels and can't imagine much difference other than it's half the carb. My guess is it's probably pretty messy in there because of 20 year old fuel going bad and doing it's thing inside. I read somewhere that they were having problems back in the day with the floats (phenolic) absorbing fuel somehow and causing these carbs to flood. Don't know if it's true or not. My questions are does anyone know what kit I would need for a rebuild? I haven't been back out to look at any other numbers on the carb yet and heard they made a bunch of variations of the 2300 series. Anyone know the needle size? I look at the Summit website and get .097, .110, .120, .130, and .150. In addition to this I have a sort of related question as well. I can get my hands on a 4bbl intake manifold. What would be the max CFM if I put dual exhaust on my wagon? I can get my hands on a 500cfm Edelbrock. Thanks for the help!
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Posted: Dec/23/2013 at 10:50pm |
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Considering the GEN-I AMC engines have about 70% VE at redline, 350 CFM would be plenty on a 287. Even 327's are happy with 450.
Yes, lots of people put 600 CFM carbs on 327's. Doesn't mean it gets them anywhere faster than a 450 would. The Holley 2300's are good carbs. Basically half of a famous 4150 or 4160, both of which are famous high performance carburetors. You probably have a Holley 2209 on there right now, which can work anywhere from OK to not at all. |
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Posted: Dec/23/2013 at 11:06pm |
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I was actually trying to figure out which 2300 I had considering the ones I looked up were either 350cfm or 500cfm. I thought I had the 500cfm since I had remembered seeing a formula somewhere that said to multiply your cubic inches by 2 and that gets you in the ball park of what you would need.
I'm mainly just want to rebuild what I have on there now and putt around with it but don't want to get the wrong kit or anything. I'm not looking to race around I just want to have some extra power just in case I need to pass someone going uphill. I actually drive like a Grandma. I've dealt with 4150/4160's and they were really good carbs for me when I got them tuned in but I usually would have the same troubles i'm having now with the needles. I'll probably just eventually pick up the entire 327 out of the older Jeep truck that I was going to take the manifold off of to do any upgrades on and keep this 287 the way it is. Is there a certain marking or stamp somewhere on the carb that would tell me it was a 2209?
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The cfm ratings are different for a 2bbl than a 4bbl. And the cfm ratings are outdated and obsolete. I rode in a car with a carburated 4.0 6cylinder, it was running a Holley dp, and it was a 600, and it would be too big? No, I followed it, did not smoke, or even smell rich, and it ran excellent. Another car with a 401, it ran an 870 holley, ran well and jetted it up, and it ran in the 12s. Guys run 750s on 360s all the time. That would be too big on a sbc 350, they came with 750 cfm qjets. But a 650 holley works better. It all comes down to airflow. The chart is a joke. One thing I will agree is a smaller carb is better if you want to go conservative, I made that mistake, the engine ran ok, but it was flat.
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Well I learned something new today! I wasn't aware there were different ratings from 2bbl to 4bbl. Can't really remember where I saw the chart but it seemed kind of sketchy considering all you had to do was plug in your cubic inches and max RPM.
Obviously Engineers for Rambler knew more than I do about the engines they designed so i'll just stick with what they intended for it. I just want it to run dependably and not leave me stranded on the side of the road if I decide to go to a car show in Boise (45 minutes) or Twin Falls (1.5hrs). Not anywhere close to getting the wagon near that but that's the goal. I have my other '64 to build however I want. I did look at the numbers on the forward driver's side main body and they are as follows: 3164329 LIST 2463-2 434 I'm guessing the list number would be the series of 2300 carb I have?
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2300 will have about a 5" round top that the air cleaner sits on. 2209 will be more like 3".
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It does have the 5" round top and looks similar to this
http://www.holley.com/0-7448.asp If this is actually what the 2209 is then I don't have this http://www.oldcarmanualproject.com/manuals/Carbs/Holley/TypicalViews/images/ExplodedDiagrams_0050.jpg When I went to a Holley Carb master list and looked up the list number (2463-2) it came up with this
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Guess this would be the kit since it has my list number in there. I'll end up going to try and find one tomorrow to rebuild it and see if I can get rid of my vent overflow problem.
http://www.carburetor-parts.com/Holley-2300-Carburetor-Repair-Kit_p_58.html Is there any area I should pay special attention too for wear when I take it apart?
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You have a 2300 already calibrated to run it's best on our engine. Best idea is to hold on to that carb.
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I will definitely take your advice and stick with it then. Thanks for all the help I really appreciate it!
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