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Goodbye Holley 2209 |
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AMX1972
AMC Apprentice Joined: Oct/11/2008 Location: Massena Iowa Status: Offline Points: 161 |
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Yeah lumping a 2209 in with any other Holley is not even an apples to oranges comparison.. more like apples to ears of corn or something LOL. FWIW, the last 3 "Holley" carbs I installed ran great right out of the box.. OK one was actually a Holley (770 Street Avenger) and the other two were Quick Fuel Q-850 E-85 carbs LOL. My drag car actually runs its best times with the jetting that the carb came with too. |
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1972 Javelin AMX T/A Red 360/4 speed
1968 AMX "The Pied Piper" "Cam Only" 390/727 1/8th mile bracket racer on E-85. 10.92@121.9 mph. |
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FSJunkie
AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/09/2011 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Status: Offline Points: 4741 |
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"Good carb", "bad carb"...regardless of the actual design of the carburetor, the greater question is what you are familiar with and can make run.
You can have the best designed carburetor on Earth *coughThermoquad*, but if you are not familiar with it and know how to work on it, it'll run like crap. You can have the worst carburetor on Earth *coughEdelbrock* but if you know how to work on it, it'll run great. |
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1955 Packard
1966 Marlin 1972 Wagoneer 1973 Ambassador 1977 Hornet 1982 Concord D/L 1984 Eagle Limited |
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Midnight Rambler
AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/17/2011 Location: SoCT Status: Offline Points: 1670 |
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I think you'll love it. What intake are you using? I swapped a 2V Holley and stock intake out for a 500cfm 1403 and Offy 360DP on my 290. What a difference...better response, better fuel mileage, much easier starting...right out of the box. |
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'66 American 440 Convertible 290/M-40/AMC 20 3.15/PS/PB '04 Jeep Wrangler X Rocky Mountain Edition 4.0 5sp |
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Slate
AMC Addicted Joined: Feb/28/2012 Location: Airyzona Status: Offline Points: 2783 |
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Best way it's ever been put. And true. Steve Edited by Slate - Aug/27/2014 at 7:48pm |
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amcglass
AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/11/2011 Location: NW Ohio Status: Offline Points: 2588 |
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TSANCHEZ that is one mean looking hood
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Javmanpres
BBG Mark Donohue 401 74 Jav/AMX 71 Matador 2dr sedan delivery wagon 1902 Rambler Runabout 70 T/A Javelin |
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Buzzman72
AMC Addicted Joined: Sep/15/2009 Location: Southern IN Status: Offline Points: 2713 |
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Now, I'm not going to give a blanket condemnation of any particular brand of carb. I've had good and bad luck with many different brands and styles. Pappy was a Hudson dealer, so he was well versed in old Carter singles and deuces, of the WA and YF variety. He was also an International truck dealer in that era, and he hated a Holley, based on his experiences with the 1904 used on the old IH sixes. The Holley 2300's on those V8 Internationals didn't do much to endear themselves to him, either. BUT we finally figured out, on his 260,000 mile Travelall, what was wrong with the 2300's. They would rebuild once, and then they were junk. Turned out that the metering body would warp and wouldn't seal, right around 100,000 miles. Once we figured that out, life got easier.
Phenolic floats have been a problem over the years. I rebuilt the Q-Jet that my sister had on her 327 '68 Camaro, and had to go in the second time to replace a sinking float. So I got to where every time I found a carb with a phenolic float, if I could find a brass replacement, that's what it left with. I found a source for brass floats for YF's and BBD's back in the day when I was working on AMC sixers, and my life improved a lot. [Having to epoxy the threads when they'd been stripped in the mid-'70's BBD's was a particular pain I remember dealing with more than once.] The two areas of determining how good a carb is--or isn't--are tunability and rebuildability. The Holley 2209 fails both areas. There are better carbs out there. But tunability and rebuildability--a quality I've been told the old Carter ThermoQuads lacked--are the primary factors in carb reliability. And if your carb isn't reliable, your car isn't, either.
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Buzzman72...void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, objects in mirror may be closer than they appear, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.
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nda racer
AMC Addicted Joined: Nov/28/2009 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 2584 |
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Sonic Silver
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jayramb
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Every 2 years the 2209 acted up. My dad bought the 67 Rambler Rebel 290 off the lot brand new on Halloween 67. The dealership told dad, "get rid of that Holley and go to the four barrel". Dad lived in rural ND. Frozen winters, dad couldn't even drive the car uptown to his barbershop for the carb would flood, cough, soot, and die. He called it "the f*#king Holley. When I started to drive itin 1982, when I was 8 years old, on the farm, we had that hood open all the time. It would NEVER start good cold, of course would run fine when warm.
I cannot believe I didn't do this SOONER! I have the 4 barrel 343 manifold I bought at Kenosha, installed, detailed manifold, hooked up new bolts, painted, vacuum lines, new plugs, rotor, cap, etc. all ready to go, any day now. I will have it running tomorrow. The 1406 Performer is just waiting to get hooked up. I cannot wait. I talked to a dealer, former dealer for AMC. He was telling me, at Kenosha, he had the 2209 on the 290's come in with problems after 2000 miles, they would rebuild and just pig out. Could never get a GREAT NEW engine running the way it deserved. He put an Edelbrock, pretty much a Carter 4 barrel, on his 290 Ambassador convertible. His 2 barrel would do the same as mine, vapor lock, all of that crap I dealt with. UGH. Well, I have all the pieces and can't wait. I watched the DVD on the 'how to', and readily adjusted for easy adjustments when I start up the 290 Typhoon V8! RIP Holley 2209!! |
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Jayson Helenske
See my webiste! www.1967AMCRamblerRebel.weebly.com Current Cars: 1967 Rambler Rebel 770 290 V8 4-barrel and Paint - Marina Aqua. 1966 MARLIN 327 V8 4 barrel and Paint-Med. Cortez Aqua |
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nda racer
AMC Addicted Joined: Nov/28/2009 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 2584 |
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I guess that discredits the numbers it ran then. |
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