AMC T10 and FORD T10 are they the same

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   ARE all T10 the same case and tail shaft.I found one on craigslist with shifter and linkage but the owner does,, not what it came from GM,FORD, CHRY, or AMC. I want one for my 1965 REBEL thanks.

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REBEL_BOB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Jul/14/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 453	Post Options Post Reply Quote REBEL_BOB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: AMC T10 and FORD T10 are they the same Posted: Jun/24/2018 at 11:31pm
	ARE all T10 the same case and tail shaft.I found one on craigslist with shifter and linkage but the owner does,, not what it came from GM,FORD, CHRY, or AMC. I want one for my 1965 REBEL thanks.
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	T-10 for AMC open drive shaft main case and tail shaft housings are unique for AMC.....some Ford T-10's have a very similar case with tight bolt pattern but not same
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	Tell me more about this 1965 Rebel. Never seen one, even in 1965.
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farna Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Supporter of TheAMCForum Moderator Lost Dealership Project Joined: Jul/08/2007 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 19676	Post Options Post Reply Quote farna Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jun/25/2018 at 6:02am
	65 Classic, 66 was the first use of the Rebel name, only on the top of the line 66 Classic hardtop... well, Rebel. It was a quick transition to changing the Series 10 line name to Rebel in 67. Probably a typo or going from memory. Unless of course he's making a "phantom" 65 Rebel...
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REBEL_BOB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Jul/14/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 453	Post Options Post Reply Quote REBEL_BOB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jun/25/2018 at 7:46am
	Sorry my bad , its a 1968 two door.so how can I tell a AMC T10 apart from the others,I know the difference between open and torque tube .
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typhooner Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Jun/28/2011 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 1185	Post Options Post Reply Quote typhooner Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jun/25/2018 at 8:33am
	The Ford and AMC only were used together for 1 year. In 1965 the Ford/AMC T10 had ears on both sides so it could be used with Ford or AMC, but the problem with that year is it had no mount for the shifter on the case. The shifter itself was mounted to the floor sheet metal. These transmissions are ultra rare and it is not likely you will ever see one. In '66-up they do not interchange.
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akimmet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Aug/02/2012 Location: Republic OH Status: Offline Points: 428	Post Options Post Reply Quote akimmet Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jun/26/2018 at 9:32am
	This is a little off topic, but I thought I would post some Ford information since there is some confusion and incorrect information on Ford stuff in this thread. Ford used the narrow Borg Warner manual transmission bell-housing pattern on their transmissions up to 1964. This narrow pattern was also used by AMC. A main case from a Ford with the narrow pattern is a direct interchange for an AMC case. The gear set and tail-shaft are completely different. Ford used many input shaft and bearing retainer sizes and lengths, but none were the same as an AMC T10. Narrow and dual pattern Ford T10 cases are actually east to get since the Ford guys don't want them. They would rather have the rare 1964 only narrow Borg Warner mounting pattern Toploaders. In 1965 ford switched over to the wide pattern but still drilled both narrow and wide patterns, ford also kept this dual pattern case around for quite awhile as a service replacement. There were some wide pattern only 1966 Ford T10 cases, but they are actually very rare since Ford started phasing out the T10 in favor of the Toploader in 1964. These 1966 cases can be drilled for the narrow pattern using a dual-pattern aftermarket Ford bell-housing as a template. I have actually a 1965 Ford dual pattern T10 for a Farilane, and a 1964 Farilane narrow Borg Warner pattern Toploader. I also have 1969 AMC T10. I might be able to take some pictures if anyone is interested. All Ford 4 speed shifters mounted to the tail-shaft not the floor, just like on an AMC, the mounting method is just in varying different locations depending on year and body.

akimmet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Aug/02/2012 Location: Republic OH Status: Offline Points: 428	Post Options Post Reply Quote akimmet Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: Jun/26/2018 at 11:43am
	It appears I was posting nonsense myself! 401MATCOUPE is correct. I just went outside to try it myself. The narrow ford and AMC patterns ARE different! Only 3 of the bolt holes appear to line up. The upper left hole (from the input shaft side) is closer to the case on Ford Transmissions. I suppose someone could slot the hole if they needed to use a ford case badly enough. I was just talking to a Ford guy that would use AMC T10 cases in place of Ford ones when they broke them at the drag strip in the early '60s. He must have forgot or neglected to mention slotting holes to make it work. Anyway, so beware out there! Do not identify a T10 by the casting numbers on the main-case. AMC and Ford T10s can have the same main-case casting numbers, but we now know they are different. It is better to identify by tail-shaft numbers. It is rare but I have seen fords with T10P cases. Edited by akimmet - Jun/26/2018 at 12:05pm

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	Thanks for the clarification akimmet
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REBEL_BOB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Jul/14/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 453	Post Options Post Reply Quote REBEL_BOB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jun/26/2018 at 3:43pm
	Tanks for the info,the trans im looking at fits the AMC bellhousing.The shifter is mounted back almost the end of the tailshaft. Pics on craigs list in MICHIGAN southwest AMC.thanks
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