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AMXTSY
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Just a couple of thoughts... if you decide to use the OE Bendix four piston system, it's always wise to follow the procedures in the TSM. It can become pretty tedious when using shims to get the proper adjustment.
Also, if you are planning to replace the brake lines, M/C and wheel cylinders, you may want to consider replacing with DOT 5 fluid. Lots of good info from previous discussions here on that topic. Do Forum search; brake fluid or DOT 5. When all done correctly, those OE brakes should still be able to stop a battleship. Bruce |
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Bruce Carothers
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jeanbonjeanbon1
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Thanks for info,
I'll ask the brake specialist here about the dot 5 fluid since i put evtg new or rebuilted even the lines. As for the shims i didn't see any when i took it apart and will check if they center well with the rotor when i reassemble. I think the rotors are pretty close to the limit and might have to replace them too. I'll have the calipers rebuilted by the brake shop. The power booster and mc will come new from the same company. The rear wheel cyl will also come new and will be ordered tomorrow as the rest of the parts. The only thing i 'm not shure about are the rear drum brakes that i didn't check. I usually get good result with that seller here but we willl see how things work with those rare parts.
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billd
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The disks on my 70 work great and I have no plans on changing them. In fact I've driven it enough around Des Moines traffic that I've had to "test them" more than once and I can stop that puppy pretty well all things considered. I've just not had a problem. For prolonged braking heat may build and they may fade but I've not had major problems that way so far (and I've owned the car since about 2005) The sliding calipers, any sliding calipers, either on the bracket or on the pins and bolts - all have issues unless maintained. The type like used on 81 Eagle slid on pins and if that finish went bad the caliper could stick. Same for ANY sliding caliper - drive it in Iowa, water, salt, sand, dust and dirt, lack of maintenance, and you see one side of the rotor cut to the fins and the other like new because the caliper failed to slide. I can't tell you how many IHP cars, Iowa Highway Patrol, I replaced rotors and calipers on. I've seen one side cut clean into the pad's BACKING and the rotor eaten to the fins while the other side was ok - yup, caliper failed to slide. Don't dismiss the multi-piston design. It worked. Now as far as "clamping pressure" keep in mind it's PSI - force, pressure per square inch, so you must take into account the master cylinder bore size, the pressure applied there, then that "PSI" translated to the surface area of the backs of the pistons to get clamping forces. Can't simply say "more or less clamping force" without doing some serious math. If the Kelsey Hayes calipers like I put on my 73 hung up for any reason, and i've seen them hang, too - RUST on the big bolts they slide on gets flaky and stuck in the rubber, yeah, even they can fail to slide. Granted these are worst case, but I've seen them all fail at one time or another, "depending on driving conditions" and environment. When you work in a shop along I80, you see a lot of stuff....... and when you work on cop and patrol cars, wow, you see even more! LOL Those guys push their brakes to the limits.
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sweatlock
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The stock discs on my '69 work very well, comparable to newer cars sans ABS. I've had to do some power stops myself and the car stayed straight and stopped on a dime and gave back a nickel in change.
Yes, the stock discs are solid and retain more heat then vented discs, but on the other hand vented discs can warp or even crack with heat since there's much less material to act as a heat sink. With vented discs you really have to pay attention to the minimum thickness when turning them - which is why most people just replace them on newer cars and turning rotors (& drums) is becoming a thing of the past. I had a '77 Pacer w/ the "sliding" caliper arrangement and it was dismal - the calipers would stick and wear out the pads and excessively heat up & warp/crack the rotors. Different types of lubricants on the slide would help some but it was simply a poor design. They didn't use pins but a type of wedge - keep in mind that even calipers that use pins will have issues, too. The Scarebird setups seem to trade one set of concerns for another set, so I don't personally see the advantage. In my opinion, best to go back to all new components with the stock setup and everything will go back together properly and work correctly. |
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akimmet
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Since the rotors, pads, and calipers are available again for the stock 1968-70 brakes, I also recommend going back to stock. Despite the solid rotors, the stock disc setup works really well.
I prefer fixed calipers over sliding calipers. What everyone hated about multi piston calipers is one of the pistons would become stiffer than the rest and get stuck. Completely flushing the brake fluid any time the brakes are bled, or every 5 years is enough to prevent this problem. |
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