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billd
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I've owned many Jeeps, and multiple cars with MOPAR transmissions. They are tough transmissions. Remember, I worked in a shop for several years rebuilding and repairing automatic and other transmissions - actually did my first when I was about 15. MOPAR transmissions aren't junk and I can point to more than one with over 100,000 miles.
An 84 wagon we bought brand new went for over 100,000 miles - the rest of the car was run through the mill by my now ex but the transmission held up (even through my abuse before she got the car in the divorce) Yes, Eagle had the lockup converter before 84. I know that for a fact and if you need proof, dig through some AMC TSMs............... 82 is a great example, and I have one on my shelf from 81, I believe. The Eagle case is an AMC case - nothing better than any other 998. The extension housing is different, WAY different, of course, but the main case is basically an AMC designed MOPAR case. Bane of every AMC? Inferior 998? Then why do they get put in race cars? Why are they a choice for performance? Why do other people want to swap TO them? You seem to be the only one who hates them but you have an intense hatred for AMC and MOPAR anyway, that's obvious. So why did I work on cars for decades - in a shop next to I80 - all during the 70s and 80s and not see the rampant replacement of ignition systems as you claim? Because it never happened. The ignition system in my own SX4 had 160,000 miles and was ALL ORIGINAL. The ignition system in the 83 SX I'm now rebuilding is all original, about 100,000 miles on it, nothing replaced. The ignition system in the Eagle wagon I just sold- all original, worked fine. The ignition system in the 84 wagon I owned back in the 80s, the module went bad, replaced it and it never failed again. You simply hate AMCs - so again, why are you here and why to you mess with something you hate so much? Simply so you can trash them and show us how bad they are? >>common failure parts like the OEM SSI module and factory switches. These reveal to be symptoms of much bigger problems, like the control wiring for the dash. That's not a Ford issue, it's all AMC/Jeep poor wiring practices.<< Huh? Switches? In the ignition system? Control wiring for the dash? Huh? They had the "computer" behind the right kick panel, otherwise there was nothing in the dash. It was a simple single set of wires that went from the ignition system module, etc. through the firewall to the box behind the kick panel. Never ever seen that wiring fail. Poor wiring practices? LOL - it was no different than any other car maker of that era. I've actually seen worse. The biggest problems I saw outside of failed modules was the connectors and that was a FORD thing for which they had service bulletins. |
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purple72Gremlin
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I really wish you would leave. 99% of the stuff you say is nonsense. I think you are a nut.
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CamJam
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If you were going to do anything other than just replace the 998 with another, I'd just go with an AW4 from a mid-90s Cherokee. 4-speed O/D and same bolt pattern... just need to wire up the Cherokee tranny box, change out the shifter, make a new tranny mount and shorten the driveshaft. I'm told some of the Hornet driveshafts might be the right length and bolt right up, but haven't verified that yet. See the sticky for further details/
I have an AW4 here from a '94 Cherokee that I'm going to put in my '72 Javelin (replacing the 998) as soon as I get some time.
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'73 Javelin 360 (current project)
'72 Baja Bronze Javelin SST '69 Big Bad Orange AMX (2018 Teague Heritage Award) SOLD |
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amxmachine
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Where are you located i have a couple good cores in walton ny
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DaemonForce
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Divorce is a headache. Sorry.
I keep hearing this but the QA pass/check/fail tells me to avoid them. The 998 from an Eagle sees more abuse than any Mopar I've seen and because it's such a constant nightmare to fix one that has gone bad, I prefer the 727, which I will never find. Others have had lots of good luck with the 998. I have some luck with them but every few months it's a cash vampire, so it destroys itself, my bank account, job and social life if I so much as sneeze. The only answer to a transmission that can barely survive extremely brutal daily 1 hour trips at 70MPH on FLAT OPEN HIGHWAY is to simply discard it and move on to something more durable. Nobody should ever have to question that so don't start. I can't even give my 998 away.
This again? You're really better at talking about ideas than people. I didn't fight hard enough to acquire a 75 Dart, 67 Impala, 69 Plymouth or a 74 Charger so I'm going to focus my efforts on the AMCs. If the people selling those cars didn't make it so difficult to budge, maybe I would be elsewhere right now. Maybe the Eagle and Javelin would go to the scrapyard over another money pit. It's whatever.
Yes, switches. Switches for lights, switches for the ignition system, accessories, warning chimes, breadboards(deleted), the original PCM(deleted) and switches for parts I can't figure out just yet. So far I need to verify the combination ignition switch, headlight switch, some strange AMC stamped switch behind the radio and another unknown AMC stamped switch between the dash and pillar behind the glove box that nobody has mentioned ever. Why else would I be going through this ball of wires tonight? The transmission is an easier gamble. Stick to those instead. Better yet, be this guy:
Manual DIP triggers, manual valve body, Winters shifter and stress cradle for the win. My Javelin will be getting the same treatment when I have time again but soon. Too many hands in the cookie jar this season. |
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1971 Javelin SST
American 304 2v | FMX | AM20-3.31 1983 American Limited Jeep 4(.7)L S-MPFI | 1982 NWC T-5M (4.03/.76) | Dana30IFS/35-2.72 |
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Ken_Parkman
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I too will vote for the 998/999. Have had poor durability in race use with the 727 and it is more expensive to build cause of that stupid drum weight. Would not use a 727 without spending a lot of money on a billet drum as I have personally watched 2 727's explode and tear the floor out of the car. Preferred is the 998 upgraded with 5 disc clutch and the pump drive with flats built by someone who knows what they are doing. Seen several behind strong 401's, low 11's in heavy cars.
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Smitty52
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69 Ambo coupe, 401, M12, 66 Ambo 990 Wagon, 327,PW,PB,PS,posi,AM/FM,AC 74 Jav 360 auto ac 2003 FLHTCI, 1977 Yamaha XS750 2015 Chry 200, 2006 Pacifica |
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81eagle88
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Smitty52
Did you get the tranny issue fixed for the 360? Show the 28th at field, ..providing no blizzards, floods or tornados T |
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