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tfhofstad
AMC Apprentice Joined: Jul/28/2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 50 |
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Posted: Oct/30/2017 at 10:49am |
Im hoping someone can help me locate the where the "TO TANK" vacuum hose from the charcoal vapor canister goes. Im in California, home of the Smog Nazis and am trying to get a 79 Concord 258's smog equipment sorted out. The car has a smog legal fuel injection retrofit except they used an electrical temp sensor in place of the ancient and unreliable 5 port thermal vacuum switch/coolant temp over-ride switch and heaven forbid we use something that works! Ive installed a new switch but the line from the charcoal canister that is labeled simply "to gas tank" is not connected to anything and Im unable to find what it should go to! I cant find a diagram or explanation so PLEASE, Anyone know? Smog tests cost close to $100, so I dont want to fail again. Thanks in Advance
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pacerman
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Tom,
There should be a hard pipe on the driver side fender well which ends near the location of the carbon canister. Assuming you still have the carbon cannister it probably has three ports. The "to tank" vent port on that canister connects via a rubber hose to the line I mentioned in the first sentence. I am under the same smog rules you are. The fuel system needs to be an entirely closed system with no vents to the atmosphere. Heaven forbid, Jerry Brown should smell any gasoline fumes when he is being chauffered in a state limousine through the unwashed masses on the CA roads and streets. Joe
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tfhofstad
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Hi Joe. There is a metal line inside the hood connected to the "fuel return" on the back of the throttle body by a rubber hose. Im thinking maybe that is the line referred to as "From Fuel Tank" in the sticker, tho even the written installation instructions dont cover this. The vapor canister is located inside the wheel well behind the headlights (had trouble finding it!) with the hoses passing thru a hole into the engine bay. Are there 2 lines from/to the gas tank or am I overthinking this trying to connect lines to nowhere?
Edited by tfhofstad - Oct/30/2017 at 12:14pm |
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pacerman
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The vacuum line (from fuel tank) shown above should be connected to a hard line, which is the fuel tank vent line. Get under the car and trace the fuel tank vent line up towards the front of the car and see where it terminates. That's all I can suggest without seeing your car. I picture of your car might help though. joe
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tfhofstad
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Thanks for your help Pacerman. I bought a CD of the shop manual - no help this time but good to have. Put the car up and crawled along under it. I found the 2 inch remains of the line at the top of the tank, cut off and a bolt stuck into it to plug it! Another "why did they do that?" moment.
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hi, basically, ( I have a 79 Spirit), there are 3 lines to/from the tank. On the pass. side is your main fuel supply to the fuel pump, @ 5/16". On the drivers side run the fuel return, @ 1/4", and the tank vent line, @ 3/16". The tank vent is not "just" for pollution control. Your tank has to vent somehow. If that line is plugged, on a hot day, you may get fuel/vapors trying escape out of the filler tube. The vent line is a good thing to have. On my Spirit, the charcoal canister is in engine bay, not sure why Concord would differ. I know the V8 Concord had it in fenderwell.
I just redid all three lines on my 84 Eagle withe the new NiCopp lines, easy to work with, and won't rust. good luck, gz
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tomj
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the line that runs down the drivers side of the car should have first gone to the tip-over valve (as in, tip the CAR over) i think up inside the rear quarter panel, not in the trunk (dont want gasoline in there) but up near the fender well. from there down to the tank. the tipover valve is obscure, i think it is meant to plug the charcoal vcanister vent line in case the car rolls over. with the sealed gas cap, in an upside down car that tinyl little line wouldnt leak fuel per se, but would be the *air vent* that would allow gasoline to exit elsewhere. like the little air vent cap in red gas cans, they dont flow til you open the vent.
incremental safety stuff, whatever you might think of it. we discovered that our '94 Ford Escort LX hatchback that we were turning into a LeMons race car had a 'crash switch' in the rear that disconnected the fuel pump in a high G crash. glad we found that before the race... one can only imagine the zaniness installed in cars today. |
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