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TallGraham
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Thanks for the wealth of information guys, biggest issue I have here in the UK is parts supply, but it looks like I might have found what I'm after, a guy has a 66 rambler with a 232 and trans that he's swapping out for a 290 I believe, hopefully I'll strike a deal and get the motor I'm after!
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carnuck
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Sounds like fun. If the car is decent enough condition I wonder if the RH mounted starter style of a later 4x4 998 auto (Eagle or similar 4.2L 6 cyl 3 speed auto Jeep '80 and newer) or 32RE (3 speed auto used till 2000 in Jeep TJ Wrangler with 4.0L) or maybe even an AW4 would work with a torque tube adapter?
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vinny
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Doubtful it could be done but what about combining a torque tube type tail shaft and housing with an M40 transmission?
I hope you get that 232. If the bell housing and torque converter are also available the job will be easier.
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farna
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The shaft is the same for TT and open drive cars, at least on the same trans and year. Americans used open driveshaft, 63 American and Classic with 196 use the same transmission and output shaft, just a different output shaft housing. I've swapped them -- both auto and manual trans models. M-3x and M-4x trannys generally use the same output housings, I have swapped an M-35 with an M-40 housing from an American (early and late), but that might vary over the years and different models.
You can adapt the torque tube to just about anything with a bit of fab work and creativity. The key is to get the universal pivot point at the right location. So a longer or shorter trans would be an issue. It's not hard to shorten or lengthen the tube itself, but the six cylinder models use a solid one piece drive shat, more like an axle shaft. THAT would be hard to alter in length. The V-8s have a tubular front section which is much easier to alter in length, but I wouldn't go more than +/- a couple inches. I've seen a Toyota five speed with the TT adapter from the original M-35 welded to the Toyota output housing -- both were cut then welded together. On the 56-66 rear end swap page there is a photo of a crossmember that holds the TT in place in front. So it has been done... |
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TallTex
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I just posted a reply on other post from yesterday, before I saw this post, but same issue as I have also. 1965 Classic 770, 232, BW Flash-O-Matic.
Will a later year 258 engine retrofit to a BW Flash-O-Matic? Yes, my OEM service manual says same BW was also used in the small V-8 optioned car for my year. Is 1971 crankshaft only sure fit to BW or will later 258 cranshafts also fit? Here is copy and past of reference charts I am looking at. Year____Crank Casting No._Part No. 1965 199 ??????? 3172216 For Borg Warner automatic 1965-66 199 3173430 3173429 For Borg Warner automatic 1967 199 3208626 3173429 For Borg Warner automatic 1968-70 199 3208793 3173429 For Borg Warner automatic 1964 232 ??????? 3160035 8 Counterweights, for Borg Warner auto 1964-65 232 3172217 3172218 For Borg Warner automatic 1966 232 3207019 3172218 For Borg Warner automatic 1967 232 3208627 3172218 For Borg Warner automatic 1968-71 232 3208794 3172218 For Borg Warner automatic 1972-74 232 8120507 3214722 For Torqueflite automatic 1975-79 232 8125449 3214722 For Torqueflite automatic 1971 258 4488665 3199738 For Borg Warner automatic 1972-74 258 8120508 3214723 For Torqueflite automatic 1975-79 258 8125450 3214723 For Torqueflite automatic 1980 258 8132619 3214723 For Torqueflite automatic 1981-86 258 ??????? 3235477 Lightweight (4 counterweights) crank 1987-88 258 83503326 3727 Lightweight (4 counterweights) crank |
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farna
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It's POSSIBLE to retrofit a 72+ 258 to an earlier BW trans. You will need a 67-71 V-8 BW bell housing to start with, and the flexplate. Flexplate must be neutral balanced, so remove balance weight and have checked. The crank flange will be an issue. TFs center on the crank differently than the BW. The BW uses a pilot bushing and "nose" on the converter, not sure how the TF does it, but the crank is different. BW uses a flat crank, so as long as the "nose" will fit in the end (probably need a custom pilot bushing) you should be okay. In fact, I'd drill the TF flexplate for the 258 to fit the BW flange crank. There could still be a problem with offset -- you may have to grind down the welded nuts on the converter or add spacers. You don't want the converter jammed all the way up on the pump.
As far as I know no one has done this, it's all theory. At least no one has done it that has posted on this board. |
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