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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TallGraham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/10/2017 at 11:08am
Thanks for the wealth of information guys, biggest issue I have here in the UK is parts supply, but it looks like I might have found what I'm after, a guy has a 66 rambler with a 232 and trans that he's swapping out for a 290 I believe, hopefully I'll strike a deal and get the motor I'm after!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote carnuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/10/2017 at 2:46pm
Sounds like fun. If the car is decent enough condition I wonder if the RH mounted starter style of a later 4x4 998 auto (Eagle or similar 4.2L 6 cyl 3 speed auto Jeep '80 and newer) or 32RE (3 speed auto used till 2000 in Jeep TJ Wrangler with 4.0L) or maybe even an AW4 would work with a torque tube adapter?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote vinny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2017 at 6:18am
Doubtful it could be done but what about combining a torque tube type tail shaft and housing with an M40 transmission?

I hope you get that 232. If the bell housing and torque converter are also available the job will be easier.
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The shaft is the same for TT and open drive cars, at least on the same trans and year. Americans used open driveshaft, 63 American and Classic with 196 use the same transmission and output shaft, just a different output shaft housing. I've swapped them -- both auto and manual trans models. M-3x and M-4x trannys generally use the same output housings, I have swapped an M-35 with an M-40 housing from an American (early and late), but that might vary over the years and different models.

You can adapt the torque tube to just about anything with a bit of fab work and creativity. The key is to get the universal pivot point at the right location. So a longer or shorter trans would be an issue. It's not hard to shorten or lengthen the tube itself, but the six cylinder models use a solid one piece drive shat, more like an axle shaft. THAT would be hard to alter in length. The V-8s have a tubular front section which is much easier to alter in length, but I wouldn't go more than +/- a couple inches.

I've seen a Toyota five speed with the TT adapter from the original M-35 welded to the Toyota output housing -- both were cut then welded together. On the 56-66 rear end swap page there is a photo of a crossmember that holds the TT in place in front. So it has been done... 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TallTex Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Sep/11/2017 at 8:34pm
I just posted a reply on other post from yesterday, before I saw this post, but same issue as I have also.  1965 Classic 770, 232, BW Flash-O-Matic. 

Will a later year 258 engine retrofit to a BW Flash-O-Matic?  

Yes, my OEM service manual says same BW was also used in the small V-8 optioned car for my year. 
Is 1971 crankshaft only sure fit to BW or will later 258 cranshafts also fit?

Here is copy and past of reference charts I am looking at. 

Year____Crank Casting No._Part No.
1971_____3199738________4488665 For Borg Warner automatic, small pilot
1972-74__3214723________8120508 12 counterweights, 66lb, 64mm nose
1975-79__3214723________8125450 12 counterweights, 66lb, 64mm nose
1980_____3214723________8132619 12 counterweights, 66lb, 64mm nose
1981-86__3235477________3235444 4 counterweights, 46lb, 64mm nose
1987-90__3727___________53005535 4 counterweights, 46lb, 54mm nose

 

MODEL YEAR  ENGINE   PART #   CASTING #    NOTES                          
  1965       199    ???????    3172216     For Borg Warner automatic
  1965-66    199    3173430    3173429     For Borg Warner automatic
  1967       199    3208626    3173429     For Borg Warner automatic
  1968-70    199    3208793    3173429     For Borg Warner automatic


  1964       232    ???????    3160035     8 Counterweights, for Borg Warner auto
  1964-65    232    3172217    3172218     For Borg Warner automatic
  1966       232    3207019    3172218     For Borg Warner automatic
  1967       232    3208627    3172218     For Borg Warner automatic
  1968-71    232    3208794    3172218     For Borg Warner automatic
  1972-74    232    8120507    3214722     For Torqueflite automatic
  1975-79    232    8125449    3214722     For Torqueflite automatic

 
1971     258  4488665   3199738    For Borg Warner automatic
  1972-74    258    8120508    3214723     For Torqueflite automatic
  1975-79    258    8125450    3214723     For Torqueflite automatic
  1980       258    8132619    3214723     For Torqueflite automatic
  1981-86    258    ???????    3235477     Lightweight (4 counterweights) crank
  1987-88    258    83503326   3727        Lightweight (4 counterweights) crank
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It's POSSIBLE to retrofit a 72+ 258 to an earlier BW trans. You will need a 67-71 V-8 BW bell housing to start with, and the flexplate. Flexplate must be neutral balanced, so remove balance weight and have checked. The crank flange will be an issue. TFs center on the crank differently than the BW. The BW uses a pilot bushing and "nose" on the converter, not sure how the TF does it, but the crank is different. BW uses a flat crank, so as long as the "nose" will fit in the end (probably need a custom pilot bushing) you should be okay. In fact, I'd drill the TF flexplate for the 258 to fit the BW flange crank. There could still be a problem with offset -- you may have to grind down the welded nuts on the converter or add spacers. You don't want the converter jammed all the way up on the pump.

As far as I know no one has done this, it's all theory. At least no one has done it that has posted on this board.
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