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    Posted: May/14/2017 at 11:00am
I just replaced the exhaust manifold on my '65 American 232/auto. Trying to adjust the tv cable according to the TSM,  i ran out of threads. Cable too long by 3/8-5/16 inch. Tried to find a picture of the mount bolted to the man, could only come up with one, and it was out of focus. need a close up pic 'cause I'm thinking my mount may be bent. Mine bolts to rear of manifold with two bolts in uprights cast into manifold at rear, roughly 90 degree bend dropping down to another bend which is really tight. Over 90 deg, like around 130-135 degrees. My thinking, may be wrong but, this bottom bend should be closer to 90, not bent back on itself so tight. This is the end where the  tv cable is mounted in a slot. Somebody had been in there way back in the dim times of history because when i bought it, this cable was disconnected and dangling. Any body got a pic of this bracket? Or info? 
Thanks in advance for any info!

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Sounds like it may have been a 196 car with the 232 transplanted at some point, and the 196 bracket forced to fit.

First thin to do is make sure the cable moves freely. You should be able to hold the end between a thumb and finger and easily move it in and out. If you can't, that bend is probably the issue. If it's harder to move the cable end may buckle instead of pushing in with the throttle (cable is out at idle, pushes in as throttle is pressed).  I'd just bend the bracket as necessary to get proper operation. I know the TV cable M-35 was used in 63 and 64 behind the 196, not sure about the 65 American with factory 232. Most 232s used an M-37, which is slightly stronger than the 35 and I think has a vacuum modulator/electric kickdown instead of a TV cable. The M-35 will work behind a 232 with no problem, but may not be a factory installation. 
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The 65 Americans with factory 232 did use the M-35, I owned one.
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Thanks Farna! Guess I'll take the bracket to work and and "adjust" it. Could age and stretch be part of the problem? Cable works in and out easy, pulled all the way out, it's too long .
This is the third one i'v seen with the 232/auto w/tv cable. The others were a few years ago and not here to look at. Thanks for confirming that Rogue.
Thanks for the info.....

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It's protrusion is less important than it's depression.

With engine off, at WOT, the trans cable clevis adjustment should have it fully depressed against it's internal spring into the sheath: this is the #1 adjustment.

This setting give max line pressure to all hydraulic circuits to provide 'firmness' in operation; less slip = lower trans oil temp & extended life span for the unit.

(IMO... unless one desires the trans to shift soft, which will make it less durable)

Back off from there, to reduce your upshift speeds to acceptable level. -This setting will differ from unit to unit which is directly related to pump condition and seal quality inside the trans.

Sometimes on the AM Warner Gear automatic trans units, priority for backing off the adjustment is to reduce 'bang' into reverse (cable controlled or vacuum modulator, depends on how much pressure the trans pump is making)

Sometimes I use '20 mph school zone rule' where trans cable is adjusted to cruise quietly by the police officer, not having the trans 'hang up' in a lower gear...
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Originally posted by farna farna wrote:

Sounds like it may have been a 196 car with the 232 transplanted at some point, and the 196 bracket forced to fit.

First thin to do is make sure the cable moves freely. You should be able to hold the end between a thumb and finger and easily move it in and out. If you can't, that bend is probably the issue. If it's harder to move the cable end may buckle instead of pushing in with the throttle (cable is out at idle, pushes in as throttle is pressed).  I'd just bend the bracket as necessary to get proper operation. I know the TV cable M-35 was used in 63 and 64 behind the 196, not sure about the 65 American with factory 232. Most 232s used an M-37, which is slightly stronger than the 35 and I think has a vacuum modulator/electric kickdown instead of a TV cable. The M-35 will work behind a 232 with no problem, but may not be a factory installation. 
My M-37 has a vacuum modulator, electric solenoid kickdown activated by a thottle arm depressing a momentary switch under the hood, and mine is also one of the water cooled ones.



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I have M35's from a 65 American and a 66 T/T Ambassador, both had 232's in front. I had an M37 from a 67 American. If they changed to M37 in 66 they must have just hung on to the M35 for the torque tube cars until the last of their run in 66.  
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Per 64 TSM

With carburetor throttle valve in the hot idle position (off fast idle cam) engine not running, disconnect the throttle cable at lever on carburetor throttle control shaft. Pull throttle cable toward carburetor and adjust clevis to obtain a "free" pin fit in the throttle shaft lever hole. Then adjust clevis two turns long.
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Straightend the bracket out a smidge at both bends, think i'll be able to adjust now! THANKS everyone for your help and suggestions! I think I'll take her out this weekend after all.....Big smile

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