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Rambler Mexicano
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Posted: Mar/16/2017 at 8:14pm |
I don't know if it is the same case in the US as in Mexico, but the situation is as follows.
Regarding 1978-1983 cars with just the heater (non-Air Conditioning units), as far as I've been able to test them they have very weak fans. The few times I've had to drive my 1981 Rally GT (1981 Spirit GT) in the rain, putting the temperature in Cool, the air ducts on Defroster and the fan at full speed, it feels almost useless. There's a very weak flow that takes too much time to defrost the windshield. Is there a way to modifiy the fan into blowing MORE air? Like twice the amount of air it normally does. I do know that manufacturers kept the air flow weak to keep them from making noise and thus making the ride unconfortable. I've asked people I know about it and I've had contradictory points of view. Some say they fan motor is not the problem, it is the propeller. That I should keep the fan motor and change the propeller. Which can used? No clue. Others tell me it is the fan motor that causes the problem, that I should have it replaced or change the coils inside for different more powerful units. What can I do. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. PS I have been able to check actual Air Conditioning-equipped AMC/VAM cars, but I do have the impression their fans are different. I have seen a hose in those fans that is not present in the NON-AC units. I would like to think they're more powerful. What is the hose for? Are they more powerful? |
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Mauricio Jordán
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pit crew
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What I have observed is on non-AC cars the fan is supplied power through a resistor located on the firewall or in the heater box. The fan switch changes how much of the resistor is used to provide multi speeds. In some of the AC cars the high speed blower setting bypasses the resistor and engages a relay that supplies direct battery voltage to the blower motor. In theory the short hose you see bleeds off some air flow from the fan to cool the blower motor.
With that said most non-AC cars had a blower that delivered pretty good air flow. I would double check the control cables and the blend doors to make sure they are adjusted correctly and directing full air flow before I would tackle the blower motor. Edited by pit crew - Mar/17/2017 at 7:27am |
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6PakBee
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You've got to watch what you are doing with fans. For a constant speed and a fixed impeller size/design, if you increase airflow by decreasing pressure drop, the % increase in power required is pretty much the same % increase in airflow. If you try increasing airflow by increasing speed or increasing the diameter or width of the wheel, the horsepower required is a cube function. You can easily overload the motor. One of my friends with a Kenworth road tractor, against my recommendations, put bigger wheels on his heater blower. Started popping fuses, went to larger fuses, burnt the motor out. I agree with the other suggestions, make sure all your damper doors are set up correctly and that you don't have debris blocking your heat or A/C cores.
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Roger Gazur
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I have seen motors with a resistor to vary speed and others with two sets of windings to provide two speeds. The first thing I would check is to make sure the fan is actually running in high speed.
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White70JavelinSST
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The design of the air delivery system is not flawed from the factory. I live in MN, USA, where the temperatures range from 25 degrees Fahrenheit below zero and 100 degrees Fahrenheit above zero. High humidity also. Back in the early 1970s when I had no choice but to use the Javelin during the winter and summer bad weather days, the blower speeds were never an issue. Your problem lies elsewhere. Like the other posters have stated, check the simple things first. Get a TSM, study the HVAC system section and get familiar with how it works.
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farna
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Two speed winding motors (two wire, grounds through case... replacements may have a ground wire) were generally used in non-AC cars. Single speed (one wire... again, replacements may have a ground wire...) were used with AC with resistors to supply two lower speeds. You can get Heavy Duty replacements from school bus parts suppliers. You need to measure the shaft size on the original. You may have to drill the mounting holes or change spacing to mount the HD motor though.
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I have two heater boxes from ac cars and the foam seal on the temperature control door had detached from the door and blocked the air flow through the heater core. The seal is the same size as the temperature control door and will completely block the heater core. 1979 Concord 1981 Concord |
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farna
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Part of the problem is perception. It's a 1980 something car... the fan doesn't blow as hard as modern cars. I have the same issue with my 63 Classic. Wish the AC would blow as hard as my 2003 Toyota Tundra! I may try replacing the fan motor (a GM style replacement motor installed in the early 2000s) with one from a newer model. That's about the only way to get more air out of the system.
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