68 AMX 1/4 PANEL PATCH PANELS/ INSTALLATION

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   My 68 AMX has rusted out lower rear quarters (as most do).I plan on purchasing replacement patch panels to repair this problem.Several vendors sell these panels. Are they all selling the same product or are some better than others? I have been hearing that the new high tech way to install these panels is by glueing them on.Does anyone have any experience in this? Is glueing the way to go or should I weld them on as I had planned? I noticed that most of the replacement panels extend above the body crease line. My rust out problem is below the crease line.Is it better to trim the panel so that my weld / glue joint is below the crease line? Or is it better to use the entire panel and make the joint above the crease line? Thanks for your input

Joe

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JOE S Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Jan/10/2008 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 287	Post Options Post Reply Quote JOE S Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 68 AMX 1/4 PANEL PATCH PANELS/ INSTALLATION Posted: Apr/30/2008 at 7:54am
	My 68 AMX has rusted out lower rear quarters (as most do).I plan on purchasing replacement patch panels to repair this problem.Several vendors sell these panels. Are they all selling the same product or are some better than others? I have been hearing that the new high tech way to install these panels is by glueing them on.Does anyone have any experience in this? Is glueing the way to go or should I weld them on as I had planned? I noticed that most of the replacement panels extend above the body crease line. My rust out problem is below the crease line.Is it better to trim the panel so that my weld / glue joint is below the crease line? Or is it better to use the entire panel and make the joint above the crease line? Thanks for your input Joe

billd Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Forum Administrator Joined: Jun/27/2007 Location: Iowa Status: Offline Points: 30894	Post Options Post Reply Quote billd Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr/30/2008 at 8:27am
	With patch in place. I've got a lot more photos somewhere....... Mine just had pin-holes but that pocket behind the quarter, down the sides of the trunk, was full of dirt, dust and crud, just waiting to rot it out completely.
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JOE S Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Jan/10/2008 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 287	Post Options Post Reply Quote JOE S Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr/30/2008 at 9:17am
	Thanks By billd for the pix.. I see you have welded in your panels.. Nice job..Unfortunately mine is a New Jersey car and my the rust out is more extensive.When I finally cut out the rusty metal I will probably not get to good solid metal until Iam within a inch or so of the body crease line..That is why I questioned whether there is any advantage to making the joint below the crease line or use the entire panel and make the joint above the crease.. Joe

billd Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Forum Administrator Joined: Jun/27/2007 Location: Iowa Status: Offline Points: 30894	Post Options Post Reply Quote billd Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr/30/2008 at 9:21am
	How good is your body work? (or that of whoever is doing it) Above any "issues" will reflect the light differently. Below may be less noticed if there is an imperfection or wave, etc. IMO, it's easier to notice things above because of the way the light reflects, either sun or man-made light. May depend on how you decide to "attach" them, how much work is involved going above that body line, etc. But either way, be really sure to get rid of the rusty material, and treat what's left.
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bigbad69 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Supporter of TheAMCForum Joined: Jul/02/2007 Location: Ottawa, Ont. Status: Offline Points: 6669	Post Options Post Reply Quote bigbad69 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr/30/2008 at 3:22pm
	If you're staying below the crown line, a good welder can easily make an invisible patch. Even better, it can been made out of sheet steel - no need for a custom patch panel. Gluing does work. I (well, a buddy did) glued a patch onto the the cab corner of my pickup several years ago and it still holds. Yes, I'm in a rust belt, so it has been salted for several winters. The difference between welding and gluing is the joint. For welding, you want a butt joint, for gluing you want a lap joint.
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70MarkDonohue Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Jul/09/2007 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 1912	Post Options Post Reply Quote 70MarkDonohue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr/30/2008 at 9:03pm
	I got these at the Ohio AMO show from Kennedy before he raise the price. I put primer on them. 68-69 AMX Edited by 70MarkDonohue - Apr/30/2008 at 9:08pm

FamlyTradition Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Nov/24/2007 Location: Arkansas Status: Offline Points: 398	Post Options Post Reply Quote FamlyTradition Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr/30/2008 at 9:27pm
	I've seen the glue fail. But all he did was glue it on, no spot welds any where for support. The way we do them (Quarter panels) at work is to glue the center areas but spot weld all the corners and the butt edge( the top) is welded solid.
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