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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jcisworthy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/31/2012 at 4:27pm
Oh yeah, used a tie rod socket that I chopped down some because it was two sizes in one and it wouldnt engage the nut with the larger step on top. Installed it on a 3/8 drive air ratchet and worked both sides a little at a time until it was where I could install it or take it out what ever I was doing. 
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The only suggestions I see are;
Drop the shields some
use acme threaded rods
be a very good welder!

Concept is great!
My suggestions would be for a tool that is going to see a lot of use, though good welds and lubed threads are a MUST

and kick back some money to Garry if you decide to produce these Wink
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Not going to produce them, told Garry about it and told him he should or could make them if he wants to.  
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Nice mod!

That version would be the cure to the problem guys like me have... The engine/drivetrain is out so it's difficult to compress the springs to the point where the GarryJav's tool can grab them.

Oh yeah... PM for more detail, but your pictures tell a very good story already

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I have but a couple of suggestions (and agree - grease the threads, and make sure the welds are GOOD - and penetrate both parts being joined)
 
I'd use steel pipe stock rather than threaded nipples for increased strength, and better welds.
I'd add bearings where the washers are between the nuts and pipe.
I'd strengthen the top nut area - that's a lot of stress where there's only the thickness of a nut, so the weld is but, what, a half inch? Perhaps a piece on top of the nut like a small strut - weld to the top of the nut, then to the "compressor". (a quick simple piece to weld in place)
the concept is very good, the photos make it self-explanatory.
In fact, all of the ideas for compressing in this thread show good ideas.
 
I've never had to use such means - but they all appear to serve the purpose for those who have found themselves in a situation..........
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save yourself the BS, let Gary make your stuff!  
they call me Capt Fun.......!
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Originally posted by farna farna wrote:

  Of course the tire needs to be off the side you have the spring under. Just make sure the top of the spring is centered under the rail and you're as safe or safer as any of the devices I've seen posted. Spring is low and can't go anywhere.

Another hint -- DO NOT jack up the opposite rear of the car!
Ah,  Frank thats great until you need to compress the spring to get the tool OFF the spring once it is installed.  The only way I know of to do that is to jack the oppposite side of the car up until the pins come out of the eyes on the upper or lower cup. 
 
Remember, when you remove the spring you eventually have to put the original spring or its replacement back in and once in you still have to compress the spring enough to remove the tool!
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That tool will not work on big cars with larger springs.  There is just not enough room at the top. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/01/2012 at 12:33am
Originally posted by turbo turbo wrote:

save yourself the BS, let Gary make your stuff!  
 
What's the BS?
Garry doesn't make these as shown. He certainly doesn't supply the means to compress springs to remove them from his tools, or put them into his tools.
 
A. His tools as supplied won't compress the spring  - in a car where the engine or drivetrain is removed, there's not enough weight on the front end even with the opposite rear corner raised, to hook into the spring with the stock tools - or Garry's. (I've done some Ramblers where even with a rear corner raised, the boss had to lean on the fender so I could get the holders into place)
 
B. The device shown will cover compressing the spring where they are being replaced - his tools only cover removing, holding, then putting back the same spring - if you are replacing, you need a means to compress that is safe. Garry's tools are simply replacements for the Kent-Moore/factory holders. Not compressors.
 
C. Many folks here don't have a press, and if they do, it's probably a Harbor Freight small unit ..... even with a press, there's a small risk if one is not familiar with the procedures - the pics here show how to do it in a relative safe mannor - further, the modified tool from Garry does it all - compresses the spring in a car with no engine weight, and/or allowed replacement of a spring where one doesn't have a press or other safe means to compress the new spring to install it, his tool does not provide for removing the spring in event the same spring is not going in.
 
They need a way to handle spring replacement - not as common as rebuilding front suspension or removing a spring simply to replace a bushing or ball joint, but still needs to be done.
These are good, and even creative, means of doing so.
 
These can also be made or modified in a short time - an hour, maybe two, where otherwise one may end up waiting for a tool to be delivered - once the message got through that one was needed. (then we get back to the bit of his tools as supplied not allowing for easy spring removal from the tool, or putting a replacement into the tool) One does what one needs to do when you have a project going, and maybe not the time to wait. I happen to have all the parts on hand in my garages to make or modify such a tool, so I'd be able to complete the job without leaving home, or waiting for an order to arrive.
 
 
I also see every attempt to cover safety factors. I've already mentioned ways I'd make it even "tougher" or safer, but it's obvious, they already know the issues at hand. But I see no BS. 
 
Been doing Rambler front ends for 40 years - these are some of the more creative means I've seen for dealing with the Rambler suspension/springs.
 
Don't give up, fellows - I'm still using the engine hoist and engine stand I made roughly 27 years ago, as well as the door holding jig,  bearing presses, jack stands, and dozens of other tools and pieces of equipment, large and small, I made over the years. It may or may not be cheaper, but it's often faster, and there's something to be said for the pride in making the tool that helps you succeed.
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Originally posted by 69 ambassador 390 69 ambassador 390 wrote:

That tool will not work on big cars with larger springs.  There is just not enough room at the top. 
 
Wouldn't take 2 minutes of changing the plans to make it so that it would work on them. Move stuff down just a bit.  I had already envisioned such a change in how he did it. Same over-all design, just shift stuff down a bit, there'd be room.
The concept is the important part - the details can be fine-tuned for need.
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