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I was thinking of using Right Stuff as I have had success with it vs the cork gasket.  I guess you made the very point that I had asked at the beginning.  Can you install the timing chain cover with the oil pan still on the block.  

I'll try the black light idea.  I didn't know that anti freeze showed up with a black light.

Do you still use the paper gasket on the block to timing cover mating surface?  I had the idea of using gasket spray sealant on the cover housing and paper gasket side and sticking them together and letting it dry overnight.  Then the gasket surface mating to the block, and the block face is sprayed with the gasket sealant and using the dowel pins put together.  Less chance of the paper gasket slipping.  I would put a bead of Right Stuff around the oil pan surface first as you recommended instead of the cork gasket.

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Originally posted by 71 Javelin AMX O.O. 71 Javelin AMX O.O. wrote:

Ross:
I was thinking of using Right Stuff as I have had success with it vs the cork gasket.  I guess you made the very point that I had asked at the beginning.  Can you install the timing chain cover with the oil pan still on the block.  

I'll try the black light idea.  I didn't know that anti freeze showed up with a black light.

Do you still use the paper gasket on the block to timing cover mating surface?  I had the idea of using gasket spray sealant on the cover housing and paper gasket side and sticking them together and letting it dry overnight.  Then the gasket surface mating to the block, and the block face is sprayed with the gasket sealant and using the dowel pins put together.  Less chance of the paper gasket slipping.  I would put a bead of Right Stuff around the oil pan surface first as you recommended instead of the cork gasket.

Steve 

I put a thin coat of rightstuff on both sides of the paper gasket. Held it in place and no leaks whatsoever.
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I was looking at the engine yesterday contemplating the removal of the front timing chain cover and was wondering if it could be removed with the radiator in place? It looks to have enough room to pull the long bolts that hold the cover on the front of the block, but is it enough room to do a good job re-installing the cover with gasket? When I did my restoration on the engine compartment the last items installed was the inner plastic grill and radiator. It made it easy to install the power steering pump, alternator and pullys.

Just trying to get a plan of attach for this winter. It's got the Borg Warner automatic so the mess of disconnecting the trans coolant lines it going to be something to figure, too? Do I drain the trans too?

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It can be done, but I did mine way back in college, and my hands and arms were thinner.

Not sure how long ago the engine was worked on, but the fan blade removal is the biggest issue. Even with thin hands, once you break free a bolt, you end up rubbing against the fins to the radiator.

I suggest finding a good section of cardboard and taping it to mask the fins well. Just one sheet as It will be thin enough to keep enough room for tools.

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I guess I can give it a try and take the radiator out if it's too hard to work on the cover? Just hoping for some hands on experiance with this type of project to reduce the amount of disassemble, as the engine compartment looks really nice right now.

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 Do yourself a favor, go ahead and take it out.

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thanks. Sounds like I have a big job this winter! Good I have the space and a heated garage here in Minnesota to do this!

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I don't know if you've already attacked this, Steve, but you'll thank yourself for removing the radiator. Once the tranny fluid lines are cracked, let the fluid drain out of the lines into a pan for a while then I ziptie a rag over the end of each one to absorb small remaining drips. If you have soft lines all the way from the tranny to the cooler as I do, you can lift them up above the level of the transmission and tie them off to something. Either way, they won't empty the tranny or anything. Just take note of about how much fluid you lost and top it off after you button it all up.

As for gaskets, if I know I have perfectly true mating surfaces, I'll spray both sides of a paper gasket with copper coat, let it get tacky and install. For an aluminum timing cover, definitely a thin coat of Ultra Black or Right Stuff.
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No, I'm still driving the AMX for a couple more weeks. I did confirm with the place that rebuilt my Borg Warner automatic that the tranny will not completely drain out once the coolant lines are removed. If it did, I would drain the tranny first.
I was going to do a paper gasket spray sealant from Permax on the gasket first and follow with a thin coat of Right Stuff. I was going to put the gasket on the timing cover first and let that sit over night and them use the sealant/Right Stuff for the block face the next day. Less chance for the gasket to slip installing it. I know those alinement pins get it at the right location, but the space is going to be tight, even with the radiator out.

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to keep more of the fluid in the trans and trans cooling lines, I've used a short piece of the appropriate sized rubber hose with a plug in one end. After removing one of the cooling lines, I place the other end of the rubber hose over the cooling line.
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