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I made a few changes and corrections to my recent VW and Contour circuits, that were added in a few earlier replies, above this one.

Had copy and paste misshaps and forgotten to change values, also i cleaned up some wiring that i missed when removing the factory relay setup.

Added a diode at the compresser clutch to protect trinary switch and future electronic controller upgrades, EFI for example. Noticed my Sanden compesser does not have one on its connector, let alone a case temp cutoff switch.

The biggest change to my circuit, was to show connection points, and use dual 30A circuit breakers to keep wiring soft and light for bends and forces that can weaken connections. The circuit breakers are limited to 30A, as they are made to replace blade fuses. I could have used dual 25A versions as I found that VW used a 50A fuse for the controller, on the Passat.

I will be using hobby RC battery wire, since it takes vibrations and bends very well. As for current... back in the day with my RC10 Stadium truck, i had issues melting connectors, with custom battery packs and motors, not the wire.

Edited by 304-dude - Jul/02/2019 at 6:14am
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NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low
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Here is the high pressure line fitted with the Sanden riser adapter to make the pump almost level like the factory York. Plus the oil fill tube does not get in the way, as before with the odd clocking.

If using stock radiator, the line will pass pefectly through the opening for factory AC.

Because my condenser is wide, a slight bend further out is required. 8ts not too bad considering, there is now plenty of room to be able to remove and install any sized valve cover without touching the line or its securing holdown shown fitted loosely near the hose and line portion of the line.



Because of the top port service valve adapters, the high pressure line will be taller on its location. But, when using a unit with service ports and line ports at the rear of the head, then the bends around the head will be closer along the outer contour around the front of the head, which would be the better option for picking a Sanden compresser. I use and recomend Artic Blue for sealing mating O-ring fittings.

Note... the angle on the fitting can be adjusted before tightening, which will raise or lower the line while bringing the hose in-ward/out-ward when making routing adjustments.




Edited by 304-dude - Jul/11/2019 at 6:28pm
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390 69 crank, 70 block & heads
NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
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Here are some images of the various mounting fixtures for the radiator and A/C condenser.

I will clean them up a bit, since they were cut and used for quick and dirty fit tests. Ended up being good enough to use once cleaned up and coated with rubber underside coating.

The radiator locating pads were scrap cut outs from my factory upper ball joint spacers, made way back when I first setup the Mustang II spindles. So there is proof in hoarding scrap that can be used for an unknown need. Just how to justify every bit of scrap to ones wife can be trouble at times... especially when that bit of scrap is 10 years old? Geeze, good thing its wee enough to be tossed about unknoticed at times. Ha!

The center has a 1/4" hole for the locating pin added to the bottom of the rubber isolator mounted on the radiator bracket. I used a hardened 1/4" bolt and cut off the head. Threaded in the isolator and rounded off the cut end, with a grinder. This option securly locates the bottom corners while allowing a sturdy surface for a drop in fit.



Notice the upper radiator support has been slightly modified. It now has two threaded insert rivets per side. The outer utilizes a 1/4" stud for proper adjustment for spacing. The inner is for mounting options as i go. I added it to the existing hole for the factory plastic strap to hold the front part of wiring harness. I may continue to add another to the center hole if needed.



The tab below, has its locating hole corrected, being off center from the two diagonal holes. A oversight in assuming the mounting pins were straight and true when mounting the tabs. Used the factory hole along the bottom radiator support, for one of the two holes needed forsecuring the tab.

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NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
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Discovered the AC high pressure line block fitting to the condenser is a wee too big for the condenser block fitting. I may just obtain a Subaru line and swap ends, or replace and braze a proper block fitting. Its one of them flip a coin things, and may even have the block's high pressure input orifice resized properly for ease of line replacement if needed.

The output block fitting to the dryer is of proper size and fits the I chose for swapping the peanut fitting for a dryer connection... an expected mod, since I chose to mix components, and needed a line which had a proper angle on its output fitting.

Waiting on my order for the 2 connection power connector and ground eyelette terminals for securing separate grounds for fans, the soft start controler, and relays.

Will work on modifying the VW shroud a wee bit, in removing some of the open areas, to seal better. Already added another 1/4" strip of neoprene along the bottom tank seam to seal along the gap, since the VW shroud has an offset lip along its top edge.

For simplicity sake of electrical connections and maintenance, I chose to mount the shroud upside down, and isolated the fan controller from being sandwiched between the main fan and radiator.

My mods to make it work upside down and to change the fans wiring configuration are all optional... Even the neoprene is not required, as its a noise deadener and allows for assisting for gap on the mounting tabs that I chose to mount with. The mounting face on the shroud is flat enough for a good fit against the radiator, without need of an added seal.

One could have drilled proper holes to the side supports and mounted the shroud directly to the body, as a simple and cost effective option.
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NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
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Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker
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Ok, I removed my last few updates... Because I never placed the two A/C lines side by side, and were purchased a month a part, I assumed the output line from the condenser was with #6 fittings, since its hose is smaller diameter than the input line from the compressor.

Until I removed the Denso block fitting from the high pressure line, I then checked the fittings on the line which had the smaller diameter hose. Low and behold the fittings pipe diameters are 1/2" on all.

Even though the hoses are Goodyear Galaxy and have a 13/32" ID, the hoses OD don't match. So, it looks like no mods needed for the condenser to use proper #8 fittings, just the Denso block fitting is unique to its use at the compressor.

I will use the best end to reperpose for a custom line to properly fit at the condenser without restriction or undersizing the line to make fit.

Oddly enough the smaller diameter hose may work for bends, but I rather replace with a proper hose that is thick to make all #8 lines to have the same look, and not befuddle me with looking like #6 lines. After all I will be using both lines at the receiver / drier, which will confuse one when looking down at it, as all the fitings are at the bottom.

Now that my head is clear from confusing smaller hoses are #6, I can work away with the original lines chosen at the begining of the thread.

Will update which end will be used to replace the Denso block fitting on the compressor high side line.
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NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
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Here are some images of what has been done so far with shroud mods, A/C line fitting placement and routing for drier / receiver.

First the drier... took VW approach on placing it in front of the wheel, and under a support. Mine is right under the I6 battery tray location, for ease of installation and replacement.




The line from the condenser just clears both the lower support at the nose of the frame... about 1/3" clearance. Can be tweaked and secured by a hold down.

The only big mod was to drill the mounting hole a wee over sized for the size of the fastener being used at the block.

I will try a go at reheating the block end, to melt the braze, and rotate the pipe about 3° to tuck it close to the lower edge of the frame, for adding a hold down strap to secure it nicely.

Looks pretty good when viewed up close as it is, plus there is no drilling required to bypass the body structure.




I cut out the pressure vent to the fan shroud for 180° rotation. Will need to make a sheet metal surround to mount the frame to the shround opening.



Here is the opening that I will mount the surround from inside to hold the pressure vent in place to seal with and secure it.



Here is where i removed the bulge for the power cables, and filled to seal. Will drill a larger hole at the depression at the corner, to use a grommet to feed the modified wiring connection through.



The rest is to show the 1/4" square, neoprene padding used to fill gaps along tank weld areas, seal, and noise surpress.

Still needs some areas reglued, as one area bulged out from being missed with the adhesive.





Edited by 304-dude - Jul/22/2019 at 11:42am
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390 69 crank, 70 block & heads
NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low
50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension
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I finially found my misplaced specs sheet on the 2000 Forester A/C system, which helped in my selecting a proper condenser.

Note... Sanden SD508 is very similar to the oem Zexel unit used by Subaru. So matching the Subaru Forester condenser to the Sanden SD508 is not a problem, for peeps wondering if I am going too big on my design.

So far the only non matched component is the evaporator, though the drier has no effect on performance, just so happens the VW drier has a larger, volume, which may help with reserve flow.

Since the AMC evaporator is larger, theoretically the compressor should work less, as long as one takes the time and replaces the A/C expansion valve with a R134a compatible version.

Here is the hard to find specs sheet.

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NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
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Did try rebraizing the block fittings to allow some adjustment on the (long) output fitting to the drier, that will tuck along the corner of the frame and lower radiator support. It will also be partially behind the bumper bracket as it crosses under and around the frame. One can get by without need to adjust the tube near the braized end of condenser output block, by bending the tube near the bock fitting on the condenser. The tube is soft enough to make minor adjustment by hand.

Another reason why I chose this type of condenser, as it has enough pipe at the fittings to allow some light bending for adjustment. Others have fixed mounted bungs or blocks.

Being my first ever rebraize attempt with aluminum, I chose to remove the pipe from the Denso block fitting, which is too large of a diamter for fitment on the condenser. It worked out well enough for me to feel confident in adjusting the rotation of tube in the block. Did about 3°, and probably could have done 5°, but it was not critical to get too close in tucking the tube, as there is very little distance between the fitting ends for butting crimp ferrules, as i assume about 1/4" to 1/2" of hose will show.

I could use T-clamps for hydraulic lines, but many peeps think clamps on hydraulic lines are inferior. To me its an esthetics thing, and is far easier for maintenance when its time to replace a leaky hose. At 10x the cost compared to a crimp ferrule, cost on ones custom line is dictating reasons not reliability concern.

None the less my lines will conform to crimp standerds, even though I have T-clamps every where else.

On a side note... rebrazing small fittings like I have on a first time basis, requires some practice and patience. I failed in assuming one of the blocks for use on the input side of the condenser was braized to keep it at a fixed clock on the block. It was actually force fitted in place during assembly while creating the O-ring tube end. The aluminum seemed much easier to overheat and when trying to adjust the tube rotation in the hole, caused the tube to break apart. I know now not to try that again, and not to let any area that is not the braize to become a dull red. Only th braize should become a redish glow.

At this point a now have a couple of blocks to use in creating a custom block fitting, for the input block fitting on the condenser. So nothings lost, just a wee more work.

The A/C lines were about $14.00 each, which was a good deal for obtaining fittings, which was a wee gamble as for proper length of hose, let alone proper fitting blocks. Making it 50% workable on its own seems fair enough for the effort.

Will mess around with the two blocks to make my custom fitting... will end up sacraficing a fitting to braize with to complete the job.

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390 69 crank, 70 block & heads
NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
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50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension
79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles
Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker
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One small update...

After a wee playing around with the drier placement after my wee nudge with the hardline, i figured the small amount of angle did not make much difference to the fitting alignment between the condenser and drier.

So, i played around with the drier placement, after aligning the condenser side hard line fitting to keep from rubbing and creating an obstruction with body and bracketry. Basically looks as oem as one could do, considering how the over all fit without major modifications to route to the drier/receiver. Won't need a hold down clip, since there is enough clearance from any rubbing. The rubber hose section will fit under the arch of the front nose section of the frame easily. Almost as if the arch was made for clearance for such routing.

I tried lowering with a spacer bracket, and it looked a bit wonky, for trying to keep a short distance and direct angle alignment. After looking at using one of the existing battery plate holes for the I6 setup, i found it looking much better tucked up in the opening, even though it will be hidden from sight by the fender. Given that i had hoped to use the hole, for the bulk head pass through for the #6 line, into the engine bay, it made a few second thoughts as to modify for pass through.

Having the drier mounted high against the inner panel, allowed for a nicer curve with a longer hose between the fittings.

Now its a matter to how i will work around the loss of a pass through using a factory hole. Worst case is to follow the condenser hard line back to the front and pass through the factory hole.

Will have to get around to the removal of the bumper brackets and mount the driver side for a final check before finalizing my thoughts on any further adjustments, even though they may be wee.

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390 69 crank, 70 block & heads
NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low
50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension
79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles
Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker
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Removed, due to consolidation to recent update.

Edited by 304-dude - Jul/30/2019 at 8:42am
71 Javelin SST body
390 69 crank, 70 block & heads
NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low
50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension
79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles
Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker
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