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Posted: Sep/30/2018 at 9:34pm |
Yes this can be fixed.
Obvious, looks to propagate from the stud hole through the water jacket and move between the center. I would tend towards brazing this instead of welding. two reasons 1) welding will likely propagate the crack further and 2) warpage in the center of the head. Find the end of the crack and shallow drill a 3/16" hole, then taper grind the crack out to the stud, preheat the head to 330 to 400°F and then braze from the drilled hole out to the stud. Finish with files and check head for flat or better, mill 0.010" off. This is what I would do, others may have other/better options. |
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Rambler Mexicano
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I got my head back from reducing the height to increase compression ratio and the port out. I am finally able to see and take pictures of the crack. Starting at one of the cooling ducts. I'll have my mechanic check it out and see what can be done about it. I've confirmed this crack was already there before I had the head ported and reduced in height. The mechanic that worked on it told me that with just the head gasket I'll be fine without any risk of leaks, but if I can have it fixed right away I'd rather do that now that the head is off the car.
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Mauricio Jordán
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mitchito
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Several 282 heads have been for sale on the Club Rambler Mexico Facebook page. Just find one that is not cracked, get it redone and go with that. They are cheap.
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farna
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There is 4.0L flow data in the 4.0L swap section, or the six cylinder section. You would have to have a VAM head tested on a flow bench. Even then it might not be a good comparison, flow varies some dependent upon the bench design and the operators skill.
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Frank Swygert
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Rambler Mexicano
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Thanks for your comments Gman and Frank. Fortunately, if I needed a replacement head I would be able to find it here with the contacts I have and some friends. No real need to try to get a head from the US. Putting a VAM 282 head on an American 258 has been done, you have to modify the engine block due to the larger combustion chambers. The Mexican valves will hit against the block walls due to the larger diameter, you have to make a space for them to move freely in their whole run. I would consider a 4.0 head but not in this car, I'm keeping this one mostly original. Maybe another VAM project car in the future will do. The only changes I've made so far enginewise are the distributor (HEI), alternator (70 amp with built-in regulator), the pistons (flat) and the exhaust (from single to dual). The rest of the engine is virtually stock original (carburetor, intake, headers, head, camshaft, crankshaft, cooling system). Something I have been very curious about is to compare the 1982-1983 VAM head with the 4.0 head. The 82-83 VAM has all-new rounded out intake ports and have the best flow of ALL VAM heads produced. Unfortunately we still don't know if this head was ever tested horsepower-wise. The VAM 282 with this head would go from 129 net horsepower of the previous design to AT LEAST 135 net horsepower with the 82-83 one. It would be very interesting to make a test of how the VAM head would fare against that of the 4.0 head, but so far I have not been able to find a head of this period.
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Mauricio Jordán
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g-man
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Yes exactly. Frank hit it right on the head (pun). Any U.S. 258 head should be able to work. Even better a 4.0 head. Like Frank said, the stock 4.0 will outflow even a well modified 258 head. And it sure would save Mauricio a whole lotta money, and trouble, if he just used the U.S. pieces. We're just trying to help you buddy. g-man
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farna
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The valve sizes may not be the only difference. Combustion chamber size may be different as well. But a US spec head will bolt on and the car will run flawlessly -- with a little more or less poser depending on combustion chamber size and how that affects compression. The valve size difference won't be noticeable in normal driving, but would affect high rpm power output. It might make 150 hp instead of 170 at high rpm, but you'd never know it under normal driving because you seldom run the engine at high rpm. If available I'd go with a 4.0L head if I needed to change. Even with a bit smaller valves the head flows better than any 258 head, even one highly ported with larger valves. Ports just have a better shape, don't need to be huge.
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g-man
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Mauricio, ?Are you sure that the head is that much different? Not having looked at the Mexican head (other than pictures), it would seem most likely that the only difference would be valve size. Valve seats (American head) might be able to be opened up enough to fit the bigger valves (Mexican head). Intake manifold patterns are probably the same or at least similar also. Just something for you to think about. It would be something you should at least explore, as it would make things a lot easier for you in the long run. Either way, best of luck to you, g-man PS: I was thinking about this. You know how a 4.0 head is technically not supposed to fit on a 258. While I haven't done it personally yet, I know that with some very minor modifications, it will fit. Even the 258 intake manifold will fit, (again with minor modifications).
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Rambler Mexicano
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Thanks guys, Fortunately, I have been recommended of reliable service shops around my area that can fix the problem, as soon as I have the head with me I will take it to them and check what the actual price would be to have it fixed. I hope I have the money available with me. Fortunately, I do have another head with me, which is currently on the car, allowing me to use it until the main head is finished and ready. American heads won't work since Mexican heads have different specs, mainly larger valves both intake and exhaust. As soon as I have the head with me I will take pictures of it and post them here.
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Mauricio Jordán
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vintage60
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You can have the crack pinned closed. I had that done successfully on a 196 head. That's a job for a automotive machine shop.
Alternatively you can just live with it and check it for compression/oil leaks over time and address it later if needed. Personally, if budget is not a concern, I'd have it repaired or replace the head now. That way your not paying for the mechanic's labor to disassemble/reassemble it twice. |
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