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DaemonForce 
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It's so weird that you even have this. The tail housing looks different than what I found, of course but so does that bell. I'm guessing it's because this was a version with the starter on the driver side? Did they change the bells for this transmission JUST because of the starter? |
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American 304 2v | FMX | AM20-3.31 1983 American Limited Jeep 4(.7)L S-MPFI | 1982 NWC T-5M (4.03/.76) | Dana30IFS/35-2.72 |
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I have a T14 that has the side shifter. It came out of a 1972 Gremlin with the V8.
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I am not sure what transmission came out of my 66 American 232 car, but I think I can find it. You can have it if you want to pick it up.
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The truck T-14 has a different gear ratios than the T-14 made for the car.
The car T-14 has 2.64 1st gear and 1.61 2nd, that's not much different from a 69 T-96, 2.61 1st and 1.63 2nd. I had a t-14 in my 69 American with a 232, it didn't seem to me to have any wide gap between the gears.
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Posted: Dec/07/2017 at 9:26pm |
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that's a 68? i think AMC passenger car T14, i think i got from pacerman (Joe). the bellhousing is from a 1963 Rambler American. so the starter is on the drivers side. |
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1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
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i admit i did google the ratios, but it was in fact a bear to drive. the car had a T96 with OD and a 3.77 (i think?) "big nut" axle. i swapped in the T14 and a Mustang 2.73 axle. top gear was a good match. but the engine didn't have the torque to pull 2nd for higher RPM than was reasonable. the T96+OD and that axle was a great setup for that engine and car. the T5 is of course much better. but now you;'ve got me curious, i will go out and put it in 2nd and turn shafts and figure out what gears are in there. i'm wrong all the time. |
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1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
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I think the truck T-14 has a over 3.00 1st, or like 3.10, but the same 1.61 2nd gear. That would be a pretty big gap between 1st and 2nd.
If you had a T-96 with the twin-stick OD, it had different 2nd gear ratios than the normal T-96. My T-14 had a overdrive, a special order car, I've never seen, or heard of another like it. I'm just assuming it's gear ratois was the same as the other car T-14s. A website devoted to Borg Warner OD's states BW never put their OD on a full sychro 3 speed, but I had a sycho 1st gear, and it was a T-14, because I had it out of the car once in that 18 years to replace the clutch. I did it myself, I saw the T-14 markings on the transmission, I just don't remember the particular model # of the T-14. I drove it for 18 years, if it did have a wide gap between 1st and 2nd, I either never noticed, or got used to it.
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66 American SW, 66 American 2dr, 82 J10, 70 Hornet, Pound, Va.
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On my T14, I felt 1st gear was too high, and 2nd was too low. This was in my 1972 Gremlin. My 1974 Gremlin also has A T14. But the 74 has 2.73 gears whereas the 72 has 3.54s... I guess the 2.73s make a somewhat difference...
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Hi, easy swap, just did it. The T-14 is twice the tranny the T-96 ever hoped to be. My T-14 came from 1971 Hornet. You will need a longer drive shaft made as the length of tail housing is actually shorter. Also MAKE SURE YOU HAVE a shallow bell housing to accept the 6.5” T-14 input shaft. Pilot, clutch plate, splines are the same. The speedo drive gear is different. Original was 7 tooth, the T-14 was 8 tooth. Got a 20 tooth “driven gear” and that will suffice for a 3:08 or 3:15 rear end. Use a 23 tooth for a 3:54 rear end. My little American has a floor shift……. Getting the original column shift rods to function properly may be a moderate challenge. Drove the car for the first time yesterday and WOW !!! I can shift into first without coming to a complete stop!!! 👍 message me if you need more details…….
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Wow, old thread! Still good info -- I went back and read through it. One point -- the OD trannys all had the same ratios as the non-OD trannys. The one exception (I know of) being the Twin-Stick three speed, which had a big gap between 2nd and 3rd so 2nd could effectively be used with OD -- withoutthe gap 2+OD is about the same as 3rd). OD models usually have a lower rear axle ratio then non-OD. In effect you get a lower first gear AND a slightly higher high gear (3rd + OD).
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