FRAM OIL FILTER STORY

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   Well Joe, I hope you don't have a rebuild coming up in the near future. Dirt??? Did they say what kind of dirt was in there? Something like that should come with an analysis of what metal etc was in it.  

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vinny Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Supporter of TheAMCForum Joined: Jan/05/2012 Location: Calgary Status: Offline Points: 2837	Post Options Post Reply Quote vinny Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec/18/2014 at 8:15pm
	Well Joe, I hope you don't have a rebuild coming up in the near future. Dirt??? Did they say what kind of dirt was in there? Something like that should come with an analysis of what metal etc was in it.

JERSEYJOE Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Oct/23/2008 Location: TUG HILL NY Status: Offline Points: 1718	Post Options Post Reply Quote JERSEYJOE Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec/18/2014 at 9:05pm
	NO the 360 runs fine and I have been building AMC's since my first AMX in 1975. There is no way I will believe that the oil filter was full of enough dirt to cause a bypass situation. It cost more to send the filter back to them than a new filter. I am no novice and my assembly process is spotless.
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	Perhaps this will show the value of using a filter with more square inches of filter media, so it doesn't 'fill up' so quickly.
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	Personally I think it was factory fill. Matches what I had to deal with almost exactly. Be lucky it didn't kill the motor.
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uncljohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/03/2013 Location: Peoria AZ Status: Offline Points: 5394	Post Options Post Reply Quote uncljohn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec/19/2014 at 2:20am
	I guess as this is a Fram Filter thread I probably should relate my experiance with them too. I have been using Fram Filters almost exclusivley since some where around 1958 on every car I have ever owned and there have been so many frankly I have lost count of them with a fairly wide variety of internationally sourced automobiles. I currently own 7 cars one of which is waiting restoration the other 6 five are running, and the 6th is under construction but running and the others are liscenced and driveable. Yearly mileage averages about 30,000 miles a year between all of them combined and I recently changed the break in oil on the one under construction and amaziingly enough I have never had a moments problem with a Fram Filter and I can generally find a Fram brand filter that fits what ever engine I want it for with out hardly any problem what so ever. Yes I have used others at times, for no particular reason other than they happened to be avaialble and have yet to notice no measurable differences between them and a Fram. I have a spin on Fram transmission filter on my Saturn and have recently installed a Fram Spin on fuel filter on my Fuel Injected Spirit. They have worked satisfactory too. Edited by uncljohn - Dec/19/2014 at 2:23am
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Red Devil Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Jul/10/2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1743	Post Options Post Reply Quote Red Devil Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec/19/2014 at 9:32am
	How can a PH11 go into bypass? It doesn't have an internal bypass ... or are they saying the filter was plugged and going by stock bypass? Considering the poor reputation of Fram filters, would hope they would provide a detailed analysis including pictures to try to regain their reputation. Pretty poor to say plugged with "dirt" and not explain what the "dirt" was?

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	I WILL ATTACH THE LETTER FROM TEM WHEN I GET HOME.
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348AMX Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Jul/03/2007 Location: Massachusetts Status: Offline Points: 4165	Post Options Post Reply Quote 348AMX Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: Dec/19/2014 at 3:41pm
	Been using the fram filter on my 343 since 1987 never had a problem with oil pressure or a leaking oil filter whatsoever. Also I find it kind of funny that when people cut them open they are surprised to see cardboard, well pretty much all production car OE oil filters are the same construction. Sure there are other filters available that replace that cardboard with metal but it's really overkill.

fasttony Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Supporter of TheAMCForum Joined: Jan/09/2011 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 1188	Post Options Post Reply Quote fasttony Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec/19/2014 at 4:22pm
	I have used mostly Fram oil filters for many years without know issues, I have never had oil filtration or pressure issues with any of my vehicles so no reason to look that close at the filter. I have stocked up on Fram filters for my AMC PH-11 about 50 plus of them currently, just wanted to be sure I don't have to go looking for a filter when my AMC needs one. The only difference between filters that I have ever know of is the type of spring used to keep the filter element forward, Fram and most others use a sheet metal spring and Wix/NAPA uses a wire coil spring, supposedly the sheet metal spring if ever pushed back does not return fully in place leaving the element back and no or little filtration? For the most part passenger vehicle oil systems only filter a percentage of the oil while the rest circulates thru the system without filtration, so not a big deal if the filter does not filter as much as normal. If there is enough contamination in the oil system to cause issues the filter isn't going to save the engine so don't blame the filter. That said I would not state oil filters can't contribute to oil pressure issues depending on the oil system design, to be on the safe side I have started strocking up on NAPA/Wix filters currently have about 10 of #1258 on hand, when I do use my Fram AMC application filters I will just keep an eye on them. Tony