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amc401t10
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Posted: Mar/31/2013 at 9:50am |
i have a 1970 rebel with 4-wheel drum (non power) brakes.
i would like to improve the pedal feel by installing a smaller diameter bore master cyl.
what is my diameter? and if i remember right back in the day we would look in a book in the parts store and find another cyl with the same bolt pattern and use it (maby off a ford or something?)
what would u recomend? (on the low buck ).
none of the box parts stores seem to want to help.
my local speed shop wants to sell me a high end one like a willwood or something for dirt track.
i believe with the right info one can be had for about 39.00 .
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1-owner 74 gremlin x 401, t10,3.73 12 bolt,750carb,reed 250@50 cam, roller rockers,msd,offy int.
72 amc matador 401 727 84 j10 ,360, 727 1970 4-door rebel sleeper(455 pontiac,turbo 400) 79 spirit,4.2 |
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amc401t10
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i found several sources that had a 70 rebel master cyl for sale thas were 1" bore.
anyone know of a 15/16, or 7/8" application?
surley someone on here has reduced bore size to help brake pedal feel when running a huge cam?(u cant run power brakes with a huge cam)
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1-owner 74 gremlin x 401, t10,3.73 12 bolt,750carb,reed 250@50 cam, roller rockers,msd,offy int.
72 amc matador 401 727 84 j10 ,360, 727 1970 4-door rebel sleeper(455 pontiac,turbo 400) 79 spirit,4.2 |
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farna
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A 1" bore is about it for an OEM master cylinder that will deliver enough volume. You could change the pedal ratio by moving the point where the rod attaches to the pedal arm, but you can only move it just enough above or below the current hole to drill another hole, 3/4" at the most. That will be enough to notice, but will affect travel as well.
The best info for altering brakes is at http://www.mpbrakes.com/technical-support/configurations.cfm. Look at "How to optimize you street rod braking system" first, then "How to calculate pedal ratios". In "Master cylinder dimensions 2" they do show a 15/16" bore master cylinder that might work. You might just want bigger piston calipers like the 3.1" big Bendix used on 75-78 big cars. Rotors can be expensive, but the calipers and pads are still cheap. NOTE: If you order anything tell them it's for a custom built street rod, not an AMC! If you tell them it's for a 74 Javelin or whatever, they will tell you they don't have any AMC parts. "Custom built street rod" automatically implies owner liability, so no liability to the company. It's all in the legal department! Edited by farna - Apr/01/2013 at 5:55pm |
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tomj
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All AMC/Ramblers (ever) used 1", 1-1/6", or 1-1/8" master cylinders. See this chart referenced here:
http://www.wps.com/AMC/Brakes/index.html i compiled that data that i personally read in AMC Technical Service Manuals. Not Haynes or any aftermarket data. I could have made mistakes but it's from the horse's working end (you choose). i'd find it hard to believe that switching from one extreme to the other would bother swept volume enough to matter, so switch bores as you see fit to fiddle stroke vs. pedal pressure. |
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amc401t10
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i have drums all way around, no booster, i just want to maximize what i have.
changing bore diameter is a old school dirt car trick from back in 60s,70s.
a slightly smaller bore pushes less fluid but is slightly easier to push .
i have great pedal now, right off top, i want it easier to push.
thanks
ps i checked at napa today and they threw away their old book, now the new book doesnt have all the deminsions like the old one did.
back to square one...
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1-owner 74 gremlin x 401, t10,3.73 12 bolt,750carb,reed 250@50 cam, roller rockers,msd,offy int.
72 amc matador 401 727 84 j10 ,360, 727 1970 4-door rebel sleeper(455 pontiac,turbo 400) 79 spirit,4.2 |
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amc401t10
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for now i will be raising the hole about 3/4"(thanks for the idea)
i will keep researching the 15/16, or 7/8 master cyl.
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1-owner 74 gremlin x 401, t10,3.73 12 bolt,750carb,reed 250@50 cam, roller rockers,msd,offy int.
72 amc matador 401 727 84 j10 ,360, 727 1970 4-door rebel sleeper(455 pontiac,turbo 400) 79 spirit,4.2 |
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amc401t10
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raised hole today, kinda tight, had to borry my neighbors right angle drill.
cant drive it untill tomorrow,
still looking for a 15/16 cyl.
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1-owner 74 gremlin x 401, t10,3.73 12 bolt,750carb,reed 250@50 cam, roller rockers,msd,offy int.
72 amc matador 401 727 84 j10 ,360, 727 1970 4-door rebel sleeper(455 pontiac,turbo 400) 79 spirit,4.2 |
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Wrambler
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try http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1133110,parttype,1836
1979 Mustang, Manual disc brakes, 7/8" bore. I have one on my 69 Rambler, it requires opening the holes up a bit in the firewall as the bolt spread is slightly different, but not to major. I also redrilled the Brake arm as the pushrod is shorter on the Mustang cylinder, check it against your existing cylinder before you return it, you may be able to use it. I changed the ratio on mine by welding the hole closed and redrilling close to the front of the pedal arm. A longer pushrod would be easier. Anyway, I have a softer pedal with good action; however this is all on your shoulders as experimenting with brakes is, well, experimenting with brakes! My Rambler has 82 Concord front discs and Factory 69 Rambler 9" rear drums. I'm on my second 79 Mustang master, but have no real complaints and have not needed to add any valves or other gizmos to alter brake action. YMMV. Also if your in a town like here we have 3 Advance Autos. When one won't help me match up something I just go to another. usually hit a helpful guy before going through all three. Then we have an Autozone and a Napa if all else fails. tell'em it's for a "streetrod" or custom build so they don't get all paranoid on you. |
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amc401t10
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i will research the 79 ford unit.
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1-owner 74 gremlin x 401, t10,3.73 12 bolt,750carb,reed 250@50 cam, roller rockers,msd,offy int.
72 amc matador 401 727 84 j10 ,360, 727 1970 4-door rebel sleeper(455 pontiac,turbo 400) 79 spirit,4.2 |
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