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My 2 barrel had a spacer under it. So should I get a spacer for the 4 barrel?
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As questioned above, you can only use a spacer that will conform to the intakes flange, a 4v spacer will not fit a 2v intake or visa versa.
There are two sides to a spacer, both were mentioned by good information. To put it simple, a spacer adds two benefits, as it does keep the carburetor cooler and tunes airflow, depending on the spacers thickness and materials from what it is made. When I had added a Offy 360 with spread bore pattern with a 650cfm Holley ( from stock 2v intake), I wanted to keep low end just as responsive as before by adding a spread bore multi plate spacer. It was adjustable to 1"... at the time I was told I had way too much carb and the intake was useless for my stock 304. Having the spacer allowed such a combo to operate well without major work with tuning jets and leaning out. I was told from a racer, rising the floor by adding a spacer will allow for over carbed / intake combination. It is safer to under carb, but I had a good deal for the combo, I could not pass up. |
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There is no set rule.
An open spacer makes for a larger plenum volume, which is *generally* advantageous for top end performance.
A 4-hole spacer helps build velocity, which is *generally* advantageous for bottome end torque.
That being said, the combo dictates the need. There is a sweet spot for every combo. Example: You have a combo that calls for an open plenum single plane manifold. The plenum volume will either be too big or too small for the combo in most cases. If it's too big it will be lazy on the bottom end due to poor velocity. A 4-hole spacer will help increase velocity and will help with the lazy bottom end. If the plenum is to small, top end power will be hampered and an open spacer will open it up.
In addition, your carb will usually either be a little too big (lazy bottom end) or a little too small (runs out of breath at the at the top end). A 4-hole spacer will boost the signal to the venturis to an oversized carb, improving bottom end drivability. An open spacer will not usually have much effect on a too-small carb have more top end because the carb venturis are the choke point and nothing will make them bigger. What an open spacer WILL do in that situation will allow cross-signal to the venturis that will have a very small effect, usuually increasing the top end by a little, but it is usually not more than a couple of hundred RMPS.
Then theres the height of the spacer. Bigger is NOT always better. a four hole spacer that is 2" is not necessarily better that the same spacer in a 1" variety or even a 1/2" variety.
They ONLY practical way to tune with spacers is on the dyno. Frankly, they're cheap to buy if you are spending the money on dyno time anyway. When dynoing a new motor, I take three carbs in 100 CFM increments and 6 spacers, three 4-holes in 1/2", 1", and 2" and the same three open spacers.
When I dynoed my 434 SBC, I had 750 (self built), 850 (AED brand), and 950 (self built HP) Holley carbs, and all the above mentioned spacers. It made the best overall power with the 850 AED on a 4-hole spacer on the victor junior intake.
All of this is to say, there's a right answer for your combination, but no one here can give it to you. It's all trial and error. You can aim, and get it in the ballpark if you are a pretty experienced tuner, but the odds of the first setup being the perfect setup is highly unlikely, unless you're real lucky.
Bear in mind however, we are talking about variances in the <20hp realm, so don't loose a ton of sleep over your carb spacer. My current 401 is running a 950 Pro Systems carb on 1" open phenolic spacer on a Torker intake. It's purely an educated guess based on the smallish plenum of the Torker and the large carb. I'm not gonna dyno the motor, but for the street, it will be more power than the car can plant on the pavement.
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