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budryzer
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Posted: Oct/06/2012 at 5:11am |
Greetings all,
I have an older '70 motor that I'm going to do the valve seals on the heads with the compressed air technique. Any recommendations on which seals to use? I've seen a few different brands and would like to not have to do it over again. The ones on there now have sat without running for quite some time and have started to fail during overnights now that it's back in use. |
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440sixpack
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I assume you have the stock umbrella seals and not positive seals?
In either case if your engine is older as you say the seals should last onger than the guides so your choice isn't that important. any umbrella type seals should work, I've had great luck with the viton ones even in fresh rebuilds.
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budryzer
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Thanks for the reply. I had just ordered some sealed power off of the bay.
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farna
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I've had a lot better luck using the "rope" method. It's slower, but impossible to drop a valve, something you could do with air pressure, especially if you have a slightly burned valve seat not sealing as good as it should (or just a carbon chip on the seat). Get some 3/8" or so nylon rope and thread it into the spark plug hole of the cylinder you're working on with the piston down. About 2' needed in the sparker hole, with some hanging out for pulling back out, of course! Once it's in turn the crank by hand until engine stops. The rope will compress some, but not very much. Pull rope when done, rotate another piston down and start over. Takes longer, but much safer!
I've only worked this way. My brother used to use air, then had a valve drop once. After pulling the head to retrieve the valve I asked him if he'd ever used rope. Got a funny look, so explained. He finished the other side (V-8) with rope and hasn't used air since. Takes less time and effort than having to pull a head! Of course if you run the piston up to TDC that you're working on with air the valve can't drop very far down. Should be bale to grab the end and pull it back up. Even if it won't seal again you can then run the piston down some and stick rope in there. Edited by farna - Oct/09/2012 at 12:34pm |
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ccowx
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I second the rope method! Done it myself several times over the years and it is dead reliable. Cheap, doesn't require a compressor, etc.
Chris
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440sixpack
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Guys have actually had the rope knot itself, then you pull the head
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I just hook it up , let it push the piston to the bottom and go to work. if you're really worried you can bring each piston to TDC , put the air to it and even if you did lose air it wouldn't drop the valve.
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I've always brought em up and not used a thing. Never marked a piston.
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budryzer
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Thanks for all the replies. Sounds interesting. I'm thinking the rope trick sounds interesting. I'm kind of cautious about anything foreign getting into the cylinder though, with this method.
The engine was bought by myself and had sat in excess of ten years. It has let out a big pooof on start-up twice now after driving it a while. It's an easy fix so I'll do it on a weekend. I'll also verify return holes are still clear. Do I need to have any spare items? ie retainers?? Thanks |
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I would not worry about foreign things in the cylinders from this. I usually use a soft cotton cord or soft nylon. Obviously it should be clean and free of dirt. Any fluff from it will not likely hurt anything.
As for spare parts, bear in mind that with the rope method you have all the time in the world to get spare parts, since you don't have to keep air pressure in the cylinder. Chris
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You shouldn't need anything, unless something id shot of course.
A little magnet is the best way to get the keepers out . and take a rubber hammer and smack the retainers down good after you remove the rockers a few times before you start. that will make things come apart better.
Seals only do so much, if your guides are shot they might help but they won't cure your problem. push the stems around the best you can and see if there is obvious excess wear.
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