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SKeown
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Take some of that unnecessary spring pressure out, then maybe these will live a while!!
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whitelumpy401
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360 SEAT AND 960 OPEN NOT TO BAD
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SKeown
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Yeah, something like that, and he wants to drive across four states that way.
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tsanchez
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330 800 right now, looking at some to get 255 and 750
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SKeown
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255 x 650 will carry you past 7500 RPM. You wont benefit from anything beyond that.
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tsanchez
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I don't know, these lobes are pretty aggressive and the lifts I posted is measured at valve with heavy springs in.
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SKeown
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I'm wrong about what,, that 650 #'s if spring pressure is adequate to maintain controll if Tony's valvertain past 7500 RPM? If that's what your referring to, then your wrong. If your suggesting he would benefit from exceeding that engine speed, then perhaps?
Here's a response to my inquiry to Harold Brookshire about 225/590 pounds of spring pressure on one if his solid roller cams: I trust his judgement.
Steve,
I will put it back on 108. The gross lift will be .668"/.668", and the valve lash .018"/.018", for the same .650"/.650" net valve lift. Spring pressures are just fine up to a little over 8000. Another 25 lbs will add several hundred more RPM. This is NOT a 9000-RPM cam, but it will have a lot in the 3000-7500 range. Harold SKeown
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amx39068
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Given Tony's configuration I can't imagine why he would want to go much over 7500 RPM anyway so isn't it an academic discussion without any real relevance one way or the other?
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SKeown
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The only relevance to the discussion is sparing Tony unnecessary aggravation resulting from excessive valve spring pressures for his application and intended use. I would like to spare him the oreal he endured during the power tour.
Overkill in such areas may not bight you in a tow to track then make a half dizen passes scenario. What he intends to accomplish is a different matter. Ering in the direction of undue stress would be appropriate in my estimation.
Some builders setup their springs with excessive pressures to forstall the need for replacement. Valve springs start loosing tension pretty quick, particularly with agressive cam profiles. The 225 x 590 springs started showing signs of fatigue after two seasons. What I discovered was some springs were much weaker than others, it seemed the heavier intake valves had an effect. Being I had room to further work with those springs, I had the retainers step for the inner springs reduced so both inners and outers stacked at the same height, mixed and matched inner and outer springs to get matching pressures, then shimmed them to within .060 of binding. At that point I had raised both their seat and open pressures beyond the initial rates. I ran them that way for the following year without issue, they actually seemed to stabilize quiet a bit at that point. These were expensive PSI polished silicone "endurance" type springs, so I figures the expereiment was worthwile.
SKeown
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