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and what kind of sealer??????
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this is new to me... i never used sealer on a head gasket, but i have used sealer on the head bolts only if they go through  water jacket such as a Chevy block. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Peter Marano Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/06/2011 at 4:59pm
It was a tan goo, but now that I think about it maybe it was used only on the intake manifold gasket.  It was applied with a pair of rollers like a wringer on an old washing machine.

I remember that I went to high school with the guy that worked at that station.

And that he put shaving creme in the coolant holes to prevent any foreign material from falling out into the engine.

Upon further review, at that station, the operator installed the cylinder heads and intake manifold gasket after running it through the rollers to apply the sealer.  The intake manifold gasket went through twice, just the ports were coated.


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Originally posted by Peter Marano Peter Marano wrote:



And that he put shaving creme in the coolant holes

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I have taken apart dozens of virgin engines and there was very little sealant used anywhere. 

When assembling I no longer use the #$%#$^ rubber end gaskets on the intake and use a bead of Super RTV instead.  The trick is to install just enough so it compresses but not enough so that a blob will fall into the valley and clog something up. When the engines were brand new I am sure the rubber intake end gasket worked great on new metal but I have had vacuum leaks arise after the block has been decked and the heads have been planed so the fitment of those pesky rubber end gaskets no longer works on the intake due to the differences fitment resulting from rebuilding the engine.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JavelinRob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/06/2011 at 6:49pm
his yes that is true when you machine the heads deck the block  you also need to do the intake ends or ditch the rubber seals and use some rtv silicone I use permatex called the right stuff its black and very sticky holds up well to oils
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the only time I have used sealer on a head was on a flt head six in an old pontiac it had a stubborn antifreeze leak and the only gasket you could get was a steel shim gasket , I used permatex brush on aircraft sealant its like a blackish brown gooky sealant let it dry for a week before adding coolant 10 years later still running and no leaks
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FuzzFace2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar/06/2011 at 7:43pm
What does the paper that came with the head gaskets say to use? IIRC when I did my junk 360 drag motor the Fel-pro gaskets said to use copper coat on the metal side(s). No sealer on head bolts.
I also followed the paper that came with the pan gasket. Drag motor no rubber end gaskets but the 360 street motor I did use them.
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There was nothing in the box for instruction from fel pro.  This was a whole engine gasket set.
 
I went ahead and sprayed both side of heads gaskets with permatex copper.   I guess we'll see what happens.  Like I said this is a first for me, usually  I just clean surfaces good and use head gaskets dry.
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Originally posted by Peter Marano Peter Marano wrote:

The factory coated head gaskets with sealer, both sides.  
Incorrect on 390 and at least early 401.  These engines came factory with composite gaskets and they MUST be installed dry.  Steel shim gaskets on smaller engines used spray sealer.  No silicone ever!!!  If you are using a new Felpro blue stripe gasket they come pre coated with a teflon non stick.  You can ruin them with any coating and they should be installed dry.  The spray coating will not stick the the Teflon and will roll up and tear as the head moves along the block during expansion.  There is a small slip of paper in the box that states this.  Only solid metal gaskets get sealer.  I heard this sealer wives tale many years ago and followed it.  I had some gasket failures.  I now follow the manufacterers recomendations and never have issues.  Follow the instructions as to use,installation and very importantly surface finish. 

Edited by 69 ambassador 390 - Mar/06/2011 at 11:18pm
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