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Buzzman72
AMC Addicted Joined: Sep/15/2009 Location: Southern IN Status: Offline Points: 2713 |
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Posted: Sep/27/2013 at 2:53pm |
Frank, I think a lot of folks look at the reinforcing at the bottom of the Y-block that is the Gen 1 V8 and, after comparing it with the Hudson Hornet 308 six, assume that there's at least some Hudson influence in that part of the design.
Besides...if it'd been totally a Hudson design under A. E. Barit, it would've still been a flathead ...
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Buzzman72...void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, objects in mirror may be closer than they appear, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.
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farna
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Dan, the AMC 327 isn't a Hudson design either, it's an AMC design. It was introduced in mid 1956 model year as a 250 in the Hudson Hornet Special and Nash Ambassador Special (actually the smaller Wasp and Statesman two door hardtops with Hornet/Ambo trim). It was for all practical purposes a clean slate design. The main design engineer came over from Kaiser and had worked on a Kaiser V-8 design (actually built a prototype) and he brought his experience over to AMC. I'm sure there are some design elements from the Kaiser design in the Gen1 AMC V-8 (56-66 250/287/327), but it was designed in-house at AMC (AMC formed in 1954 as a merger between Nash and Hudson).
Just to complete the history lesson, the Gen2 AMC V-8 is the 1966-69 290/343/390, and the Gen3 is the 70-91 304/360/401 (and 1970 only 390). Some people don't like the "GenX" designation as GM uses a similar nomenclature, but it's just short for "Generation X" and is accurate. There is little difference between the Gen2 and Gen3, but the block and head castings changed. Just a slightly taller deck on the block, different exhaust ports on the head -- but all parts interchange with a few caveats (such as custom piston pin heights for some crank/rod/bore combos). The Gen1 is totally different -- the only commonality between the Gen1 and Gen2/3 is the bore centers. That was done so that the old boring equipment could be used to bore the new block, saving a couple million bucks. |
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Marty
AMC Apprentice Joined: Oct/08/2011 Location: Palm Springs,CA Status: Offline Points: 56 |
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Thank You , For That INFO . First Attempt
http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/krzyze-as-i-am/media/RearView_zps8f6ebd34.jpg. - OH! THAT IS GREAT ! NEXT ? Find the Answer to the Type of Fork Used / The Size of HOLE CUT OUT ? and nice rubber flap still there in good condition ( there are other items still bolted in side / out side / the only # found so far is # 2 3171783 A |
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amcFever
AMC Apprentice Joined: Apr/25/2010 Location: midstate new yk Status: Offline Points: 100 |
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Marty,up in the righthand corner,where the little wheel symbol is,on the Picture you Want,in your photobucket app/album,
click That--->>THEN it brings up a whole list of links. left-click the one that says Image img. the Very last one at the bottom of the list. it will say Copied for a brief 3 second pause. then just come here hit right click on mouse and paste it into your post here. then it will auto load the pics . you can use the Preview button to make sure the pics loaded right as well ;) . cheers!,Rob Edited by amcFever - Sep/27/2013 at 11:53am |
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you dont get old and say i wish i had.....you get old and say..im glad i did.
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Marty
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wORKING ON Photobucket album
http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/krzyze-as-i-am/media/RearView_zps8f6ebd34.jpg.html Working on Pic's of that 1956 Nash COUNTRY CLUB "Special v/8" Ambassador 2 Door Hard TOP > I FOUND IN MY LITTLE North Central FLorida Town For Sale for $1,000 A Real Barn FINE ! SHE DID SHINE ! SHE SMILED AT ME ** She Needs A Great New Home ** and Be On The Road Again or Even A Trailer Queen .. not my Call !! Later .. Mike in North Central FLorida 32148 |
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uncljohn
AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/03/2013 Location: Peoria AZ Status: Offline Points: 5394 |
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If you were able to identify the transmission that would be some kind of a help as certain transmissions were available on certain models, although the bolt pattern between some of them were identical
In any case I found this information and it ig and it might help you out some what. If this helps at all than a 66 67 v8 would indicate something like a 290 or 343 which has the same mounting requirements of any of the V8's used from that time on to end of production. Including the I-6's from 1972 on. h |
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70 390 5spd Donohue
74 Hornet In restoration 76 Hornet, 5.7L Mercury Marine Power 80 Fuel Injected I6 Spirit 74 232 I-6, 4bbl, 270HL Isky Cam |
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Marty
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http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/krzyze-as-i-am/slideshow/
I Am Still Trying to Find Out What Mine FIT'S? Tag Just SAYS 1966/1967 V/8 3 Speed and the # on yours is diff ! |
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uncljohn
AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/03/2013 Location: Peoria AZ Status: Offline Points: 5394 |
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As I stand in my garage and look around, I too have one of those bell housings and the pedal assy to fit a hornet or Gremlin, might even work in a Concord or Spirit. And a Merkure 5 speed that would work with a bit of rebuilding. A 232 with go fast goodies on the shelf and a pair of 360's, a pair of 904's and two hornets, one that needs to be restored which is where one of the 360's will end up leaving me with a 304. And one of the 232's will end up in a street rod. One of the Hornets will be restored and sold the other is ending up as a street rod and I am 71. Yup it is indeed a life time hobby.
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70 390 5spd Donohue
74 Hornet In restoration 76 Hornet, 5.7L Mercury Marine Power 80 Fuel Injected I6 Spirit 74 232 I-6, 4bbl, 270HL Isky Cam |
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rusty71sst
AMC Apprentice Joined: Jun/24/2013 Location: Central Ga. Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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its simple just post here and help share knowledge with the world or you can pm me. I am just learning about these VERY DIFFERENT amc's. I grew up with the muscle cars for the big three but the amc bug didn't bite till last year. I plan to rebuild 2 amc javelins as time,money and parts permits. When I was growing up my father was a ford man,I was too till in my late 20's I caught the mopar bug. I still have a yard of mopar projects. Now I also have a pair of Javelins for them to sleep with. I plan on having my own muscle car collection to keep me busy through my retirement years.This is what I have been planning for a retirement program. I view this as a life time hobby, not a job,not a way of making income just my idea of fun.just my 2 cents.
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amc is the torque master!
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Marty
AMC Apprentice Joined: Oct/08/2011 Location: Palm Springs,CA Status: Offline Points: 56 |
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I Have an Old Aluminum 3 Speed Standard Shift Bell Housing . I will GO OUT TO THE BARN TOMORROW and Check out any # s and Measure and count the holes etc. it is 1966 or 1967 V/8 I AM Taking Pictures also , But! Do Not Know ? How to Contact you ? SEND YOU THOSE PIC'S Or AM I ABLE TO POST PIC'S ON THIS SIGHT ( 14 POINT'S ??? I THINK ??) WELL, WILL PROBABLY PUT AD ON E-BAY WITH PIC'S AND BE ABLE TO SEND YOU A MSG WITH THE AD # ( BUT! MAYBE CAN NOT THAT EITHER .. Well , Later ! Mike in North Central FLorida 32148
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