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TorqueyAMX
AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/16/2008 Location: Simi Valley CA Status: Offline Points: 1139 |
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The point for this is working to get "Wilwood" to create some killer brakes for AMC's instead of "Boneyarding" a set. I am trying to get details so Wilwood can possibly work with existing off the shelf hubs to keep the costs down and make it beneficial for all partys involved.
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TorqueyAMX
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Thanks for the help Red Devil.
It would be nice to see some "Drum" spindles like the photos you have and compare them especially the mounting pad thickness.
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FuzzFace2
AMC Addicted Joined: Jul/05/2007 Location: Angier, N.C. Status: Offline Points: 10356 |
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I am thinking the mounting pads are all the same thickness as I think they all use the same bolts. I do have a set of drum & 4 piston spindles in storage attached to the knuckles along with the rotors/drums still attached. Would take time to dig them out and pull apart for measurements if needed. See we have 2 of them so far and it will always be the one we need to use is not the one we have! I say when they offer a “kit” and that kit uses 1 of the AMC spindles they should also offer one just in case as this is what the down fall seams to be with any “kit” for AMC. Once we get measurements from a drum spindle we will then know if any of them might work with a Wilwood hub & hat. Dave ---- |
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prostreetamx
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The drum spindle mounting surface is thicker since they don't need the caliper mounting bracket sandwiched between the suspoension and spindle. The McKintire kit has you sending in your drum spindles to have them machined thinner or adding the caliper mounting bracket would increase your front track width.
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Richard Payne
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Red Devil
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Measured a Bendix caliper bracket and it is 0.510" thick. The disc spindles measured 0.884" to 0.894", so combined thickness is around 1.4"? Is the drum spindle about that same height? Are disc spindles hard to find, particularly the larger bearing ones, 'cause that would be my choice. |
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FuzzFace2
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Now you got me wondering on them going to see if I can dig them out.
Dave ----
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TorqueyAMX
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I believe the mounting pads between drum and disc brakes are different and maybe thicker on the drum spindles. This is what I'm trying to find out.
So FuzzFace, if you have some drum spindles, measure the "M" distance AND the mounting pad thickness.
Thanks.
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prostreetamx
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The early drum spindles I have are 1.265" thick while the disc spindle I have is .90" thick. I would think a caliper bracket should be at least 3/8" thick for strength but a better grade of steel could be thinner. I already posted the M dimension on page one for these spindles. I also found a few more loose bearings and I do have a loose KH disc along with a few loose drum hubs that I already removed the drum from.
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Richard Payne
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farna
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Needafasteramx is correct -- distance "M" is the same depending on the bearing set used. There were two bearing sets -- for all practical purposes "small" (A2/A6) and "large"(A16/A17). ALL AMCs use one of those two bearing sets -- period.
All drum and the 65-70 Bendix discs used the small bearing set. I don't recall about the K-H discs, but the 75-76 (through 78 for Matador) "Big Bendix" 3.1" piston disc brakes used the big bearing set. Oh yeah, 77-78 small cars used the big bearings with the small Bendix 2.6" calipers -- those are odd balls! 79-83 small cars use the small spindle. There is a difference in the base height of the spindles. Richard has it backwards -- the disc spindles are thicker than drum. Has to do with the offset of the caliper and clearing the steering knuckle, not the addition of the caliper mounting bracket (which would be the logical conclusion!). There are several base heights used over the years to change the offset of the rotor and track of the front end. Too many minor changes there to document. Part numbers don't help -- sometimes there is just a change of part number for no apparent reason, probably just to streamline the part number system on occasion. TomJ did some research a while back. Though it's a bit inconclusive, it does provide a general overview. See http://wps.com/AMC/spindles.html |
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6t8amxetc
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I sure hope Wilwood's kit is more reasonably priced than this one! That is a bunch of $$$ for a front only kit!
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