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SuperStockAMX
AMC Apprentice Joined: Dec/29/2009 Location: Anthem, Arizona Status: Offline Points: 237 |
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Sorry Ken, but the flow of the posts seemed to go around the 300'ish numbers that I was stating and seemed long removed from the 362 CFM discussion on a pair of production heads. It wasn't clear what numbers you were talking about when you posted at 10:21 today. I think if you re-read that post you might understand where I was coming from.
If you can see the possibility of 300 +/- , then I apologize. The problems are almost always a result of not being able to communicate between 2 or more people on a post vs. having a real conversation. I tend to be a lot more direct when writing than verbally, as I'm sure is the case with you. |
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Ken_Parkman
AMC Addicted Joined: Jun/04/2009 Location: Ontario Status: Offline Points: 1814 |
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Here are some pictures of some stock AMC molds. From left to right: 304, 390 rectangular, 401 dog leg, Edelbrock, Trapezoid (distorted and not fully filled) Indy SR And here a few closer pics of the stock, trapezoid, and SR It's hard to see, but there is a lot more area through the middle on the trapezoid. The Indy looks a lot different doesn't it?
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SuperStockAMX
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Oh but it is possible and when I set the E/S record @ 10.72 @ 124.58 MPH@ 3,320 #'s that's exactly what was on the 390 and was checked for legality by NHRA. A random head is selected and pulled off and completely torn apart and inspected for proper angles, chamber volume, port volume, valve head and stem diameters. You can't even port match. Most people that are not accustomed to NHRA Stock or Super stock racing find it hard to believe these cars do what they with the limitations placed on them. Just ask that Ken Hadley guy on "Pass Time". When a S/SS car comes on the show he can't begin to make an educated guess on what the car will run. His reactions are funny. Valves are not stock OEM but custom made stainless with valve angles and seat angles that are spec'ed and machined by the machinist. It's a labor intensive task of trying a new angle and flowing, trying another angle and flowing. Over and over. And when it's all said and done, a pair of heads ready to bolt on will set you back about $4500. No, it's not for a bracket racer. It would be a waste of time and money on a bracket car. But it is possible. You just have to want it real bad. |
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SKeown
AMC Addicted Joined: Jul/30/2009 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 3085 |
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Jeff, if they didn't catch the exhaust crossovers being welded up, I doubt the tech had a clue what he was looking at in the first place. One thing I do know, you wouldn't hesitste to cheat and then lie about it!!
SKeown
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beepbeep
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Ken Parkman, I asked for your opinion and I Thank You for giving it. Watching the remarkable claims of high flow numbers over the years {the higher numbers never had any porting done} There's one conclusion. Obviously no one paying to have a head flowed is being told the truth. I've flowed a good selection of AMC heads and have a good baseline to compare. No stock production 390 head flows 270 cfm with only the seats screwed with.
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Hurst390
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Rebel25A
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LOL...
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tsanchez
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I have spoken with Rick Kemph, he worked for Mullin and Co back when they did the pro stock stuff for Booth, he has all the specs from back then and looked up a set for me, back then they flowed heads at a different depression so he converted it to 28 and said it was about 340 or so. I know that peak flow is not a good indication of hp potential for a head as it is only at peak once and is at lower lifts twice, you can get two heads on the same bench that flow 300cfm at .700 lift and it is quite possible to install on the same engine with the same camshaft and have one set make much more hp because the low lift numbers/port velocity were way better on it.
As a general rule you need x amount of airflow to make x amount of hp, you can get that flow from low lifts and peak lifts and everywhere in between. That's where the cam comes into play, utilising what you have and optimising it for your heads.
This is only my opinion so take it as that.
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amx39068
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Pretty interesting comments that seem to be consistent with what I have heard around the Pheonix area as well.
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Class Guy
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I just want to clarify that point. As for the rest of y'all's backbiting, poor-mouthing conversation, have at it. Edited by Class Guy - May/12/2010 at 12:36pm |
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