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CHAR
AMC Nut Joined: Feb/22/2019 Location: NW Florida Status: Offline Points: 338 |
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Posted: Feb/12/2020 at 7:07pm |
Has anyone tried and is happy or had the misfortune of installing one of these full stock front end rebuild kits with ball joints and tie rods from the bay? Theres one listed for $180 bucks and it just states " all new quality parts". There is a site that has a all MOOG parts kit - matchy matchy with the Bay one, but its $340. Is this an instance of you get what you pay for, or is the cheaper set just as good? Whats been your experience with getting front end parts?
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bbgjc
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I use tons of Moog parts and have great success with them. I've used other brands and they crap out way too soon. I had set of BMW balls joints go bad in 5K.
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ramblinrev
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Go to Rockauto and you'll probably find all MOOG parts for closer to the $180 than the $340.
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AMXFSTBK390
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I recently rebuilt the front suspension on my 68 AMX. I ordered all the parts carte blanche. I wanted Moog or TRW parts only.
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Questions are powerful tools...what's in your toolbox?
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Buzzman72
AMC Addicted Joined: Sep/15/2009 Location: Southern IN Status: Online Points: 2713 |
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You can't go wrong with Moog or TRW.
Much else might be a crapshoot. |
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tomj
AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/27/2010 Location: earth Status: Offline Points: 7522 |
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"quality" parts -- are the good quality? or bad quality?
Better to Moog than to fade away. Parts quality is all over the place. I've been moving more and more towards quality *vendors* that will stand behind what they sell. Like Mike's Carburetors, I'm sure his carbs are chinese made, that's not the problem, Q.C. is and Mike seems to do that. RockAuto stands behind their parts -- way behind! lol kidding. They're drop-shippers, and they do take parts back, but custo serv is a bit rough. Summit is always slightly more money, but top notch large-scale vendor. Then our AMC suppliers, pricey, but you can talk on the phone to someone with the sticky part in their actual hand, and I need a rare, rare, yoke, and I'm gonna pay and pay, but I'll get the right part. Etc. I'm wary of "kits" for cars this old. I buy a la carte. Last time I ate at a buffet I got the runs. (Seriously, don't eat the lettuce.) |
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mixed up
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moog or trw yes I alwas get life time parts from them
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FSJunkie
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Moog is the cheap stuff at NAPA. NAPA's Proformer Chassis parts are Moog. 3 year warranty.
NAPA's good stuff is their own brand called NAPA Chassis Parts, or NCP. Lifetime warranty. Moog uses plain black rubber ball joint seals that just push over the ball stud and mush around the ball joint to seal it...poorly. NAPA Chassis Parts use blue Viton seals that are less prone to rotting and are manufactured as one peace with the ball joint for a 100% seal. Better seal = less lubrication and less contamination = longer life. So go Moog if you want to go cheap. |
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Steve_P
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Moog is definitely not the quality it was 30 years ago. It was bought out by Federal Mogul which was then bought by Tenneco. I think that's where we are now. There's no way I would ever use a "white box" ball joint or tie rod end. I used generic ball joints one time 30 years ago and had to change them again in a year
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White70JavelinSST
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Viton is the same material that the space shuttles cargo bay doors were sealed with. I bought polyurethane boots for the ball joints, 15 years later they're still doing a good job. That's about 30K miles. Moog ball joints from 15 years ago were still excellent quality. I strongly suggest you do NOT use polyurethane strut rod bushings. If you do use them, do NOT lift the car and leave the suspension at full droop. if you do use poly bushings, only lift the front of the car one side at a time under the very end of the lower control arm so the suspension does not droop..
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