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Deans69
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Posted: Sep/21/2019 at 4:41pm |
I'm doing a T56 to a 390 right now using the American Powertrain kit. I don't have enough room for the hydramax csc though. I did all the measurements but I'm coming up short.
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farna
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That's the problem I had with 3.08 gears and my AW4 -- had to be going over 70 to use 4th gear. With your five speed it's worse because of the low first gear. In my case the lower rear axle (3.55) made it take off better because first gear is 2.80 (I have the 87-90 0.705 OD mode instead of the later 0.750 OD). The torque converter is pretty low stall, but does make up a bit for the higher gear. Still, I picked up 2 mpg on average -- mostly from better in-town performance, I think. Mustangs with the T-5 used 2.73 rear axles in the 5.0L V8/T5 models with a 3.35 first gear. A 2.95 first gear would be better, but then you'd lose torque capacity in the trans due to the smaller diameter first gear. This is part of the difference between a NWC and WC T-5 -- the lower first gear to add strength -- NWC is 2.95 first. I really think a 3.31 axle would work better in my 63 Classic wagon, but it's not worth the money to change the gears for ~2 mpg. Takes a while to burn $600 in gas at 2 mpg... and I don't drive it enough any more, maybe 3K miles a year?
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Frank Swygert
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White70JavelinSST
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Remember there are four other gears besides that overdrive fifth in a 5 speed. The White70 is going to end up with a 2.73 axle ratio with the first gear in the 5 speed trans being 3.35. I estimate it will be turning about 1800 to 2000 rpm in fourth doing 70 mph with the tire. Fifth will be for very high speed. With a 390 having roughly 425 to 450 hp, I see no issues getting the car rolling. I know I know, I'm crazy but I'm going to try it anyway. with a 3.31 gear, first gear is like super low granny gear in a truck. It tachs out about 30 mph....
Edited by White70JavelinSST - Sep/23/2019 at 9:28am |
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70 Javelin SST, second owner, purchased 1972
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farna
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3.73 should be good with an OD five speed. Most use rear axles in the 3.55-3.73 range, a few as high as 3.23 -- depends on the OD ratio, trans first gear, and tire size.
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Frank Swygert
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purple72Gremlin
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way I see it. Either spend the money. Or forget it. Go buy a modern car then. Either way its going to cost money.
Nothing is free. So come to that fact. If you want cheap, no such thing. Leave it alone if you dont want to spend the money.
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Bandana
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I have 3:73 gears. The first is just way too tall. If I went any lower on the rear I’d be running 3500 rpm at 55mph...
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scott
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The Gear Vendors is long enough that fitting it in an AMX may be a problem. The driveshaft will be really short. Again, here's a link to a 2.64 first gear T10 for sale: http://theamcforum.com/forum/package-four_topic101560.html
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farna
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Simple -- lower the REAR AXLE GEAR and use a GV unit. Most OD cars use a lower rear axle gear than non-OD cars for this reason. You have to be turning 1800-2000 rpm (depending on cam/tune) to cruise, so the rear axle is geared for whatever your typical cruise speed is around 2000 rpm. This gives you a lower first gear by way of a lower geared rear axle. A torque cammed motor may pull well below 2000 rpm, some as low as 1500-1600, but the engine has to be built to pull that low. Ideally you want to be 200-300 rpm into the torque band where it's making good pulling power. To close to the low end and you limit how much you can slow below desired cruising speed without loading up the engine. Case in point -- I ran 3.08 gears with an AW4 and 4.6L stroker. It would happily pull down to 1500 rpm without lugging or complaint, but it was obviously working harder running 60-65 in OD rather than 70-75. I swapped to 3.55 gears (wstock for a Cherokee w/4.0L and AW4) and average gas mileage went UP by 2 mpg. 3.31 gears would be better on the highway, as it turns a bit more than I'd like at 75 (over 2400 rpm... the Renix EFI starts to enrichen the mixture at 2400-2500 rpm). I usually cruise at 65-70 though it will happily cruise at 75-80 all day... jut drink gas doing it between enriching the mixture and aerodynamic drag... about the same as an XJ Cherokee.
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Bandana
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A lower first gear is more important than an overdrive for me.
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farna
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Only problem with a GV unit is the cost -- it's just about as much as swapping in a five speed.
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Frank Swygert
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