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billd
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WTH is that all about? HUH? You go ahead and tweak if you wish, i'm working with a professional on the final product, no tweaking here. Name brand made in USA industrial lighting, not a bag of 50 cheapies from a catalog. Besides, you run the same color LED as the lens if it's a car application, Red LED for tail/turn, amber/yellow for the fronts, etc. What the heck has that got to do with 5,000K lights, the CRI and so on for shop lights, though?? Good grief, I don't need to think about color mixing at all, the higher you go to some extent with good quality LED on the kelvin scale, the more accurately colors appear to the human eye. I know about the light types, colors/temperatures, etc. That's one thing that was discussed - accurate color matches when painting or matching paint on cars. The design engineer was a car person himself with similar lights in his own shop......... Besides, how can you mix shop lights, they are ARRAYS, not individual 4 centimeter LEDS I'm going to solder onto a board. You'd have blue over here, yellow over there, white over there........ you can't mix colors like that unless you are creating work zones where you do various tasks in different places. Waaay off and out there again. (And here I am the one with severe ADD and a crazy week going on......but I've got it together and on topic and on target.) Back to the floor and floor color and epoxy or coating type. I have my light situation pretty well settled thanks to my research I've spent weeks on, and working with a true professional from 3E.
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304-dude
AMC Addicted Joined: Sep/29/2008 Location: Central Illinoi Status: Offline Points: 9082 |
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Billd, only you or the peeps who know your shop can really understand your work area or shop layout. Yes, this can be a maddening topic gone out of control, if we go anything beyond a floor coating. Just seeing you be concerned about everything you can throw at a floor. Through deduction of flooring limitations, we got off the track in protection of your highly prized coated floor. I am sure there is heavy duty materials, but with anything, the limits to how durable a coating is, will never be superman in taking care of one's needs.
It seems like a lot to ask for when you have a simple question. Nonslip, fire retardant, chemical resistant, and durable with outstanding bond to cement. I we can all guess away at percentages being what will be a primary concern. But in real world performance you will need to shift what you like for personal benefit to work area durability. So you may find no perfect floor covering and my have to compromise in some degree. To me liquid carbon or Kevlar would be perfect, but that is an impossibility. Sorry if I seem not to grasp your thoughts, just I was not thinking my ideas were to be taken as a full head on process. A small work area mat or removable surface to work on may safe you from having a durable floor be damaged by the lack of versatility with flame or chemicals.. It can be considered a special purpose tool, like an add-on to a welder or a tub to a solvent tank. Plus it can be used anywhere, without having to worry about replacement or placement to your work area. I could have said toss chemical resist all over the work areas floor as protection from slipping on oil, water, synthetics, coolest... Etc, but again we all have our own ways of maintaining a work environment. And I would emagine you saying, "if I wanted a barn, I would have sawdust floors and be done with it." I know you are focused on one thing to meet all your needs, but only you know the demands you need covered. You may find something that can only cover 80% of your needs. What you will have to do is look at it at a different angle. Finding a cost effective coating that is durable and non slip, can be had... Just you may have to be a bit flexible in how to care for it. You have had a good deal of covering options given, plus the pro you will hire will have his take on what you need. Just weigh the floors limitations and how you need to work around it. Edited by 304-dude - Sep/04/2015 at 6:02am |
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billd
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Fire retardant isn't a concern on a concrete floor - I do try to avoid setting my floor on fire LOL ;-)
My concern is normal SHOP work. Not so much storing cars, although tires lifting the product can be a concern for paints and the cheaper products. But keeping with the epoxies or other products that BOND to the concrete, and assuming the grinding and cleaning process is correct and thorough, hot tires lifting it should not be a concern, as confirmed by a member a while back in this thread. I'm not concerned about tracking things in - that's more a function of what I do outside, and that's covered. REmember, the whole outside concrete will be ripped out, the ground shaped and graded more correctly, and dual, overlapping drains put in which will span the whole width of the approach. The entry door is under cover, on the east, under the lean-to. Weather isn't an issue. I can stand outside the door in all but the very worst storms and stay dry, and snow doesn't seem to collect right next to the door, but it does tend to drift across the approach - but I shovel a path, or get the lawn tractor and blade out... An engine may be pulled anywhere, an engine may be rebuilt on a stand anywhere. Think of what might go on in a repair shop involving cars - any shop, any sort or type of work, it's likely I already do it or will do it. Welding, bending, heating, exhaust work, painting, grinding, powder coating, solvent tank, bead blasting, other media blasting as I have two cabinets, complete restoration or refurbishing, press work, lifting entire cars off the floor, all sorts of jack stands, multiple floor jacks, plating, so there will be acids, caustic solutions, water from rinsing, dichromate solutions, zinc, nickle, copper, eventually chrome brush plating, electric work like soldering, turning armatures and alternator rotors, soon a lathe and mill so steel shavings and chips, heavy-duty steel shelving holding many hundreds of pounds of parts, transfer case work, 6 or 7 transfer cases and multiple transmissions and engine blocks on one set of shelves, I have a 401, 360, 343, 258 on stands in the shop, Small plastic wheels on car dollies, small metal - steel or cast wheels on tools and equipment and engine stands, large steel wheels on jacks, etc., jack stands that have metal bases that will be on the floor with quite a bit of pressure. I'd suspect the biggest concerns are the jacks and the jack wheels - lift a car and move it using a floor jack, bet you've done that, right? You have how many pounds on those small steel or cast wheels of the floor jack and you are turning it and pulling or pushing a car to move it...... The gantry crane has very large casters that have a sort of rubber on the wheel so they'd be fine even if I put oak hardwood flooring down. NO, don't go there please! LOL Since all of these things will be in any parts of the shop at one time or another, I can't have bumps or transitions or edges. That's one reason I'm spending bucks to get the floor leveled and the thing evened out. Creepers, hoists, engine stands can't move easily from here to there. Any mats, pads or different coatings that have different thicknesses sort of thwart any thought of having a floor where one could hold creeper races. I want to be able to roll a marble from one corner to another and not have it stopped by an uneven floor, except for the normal slopes for drainage, duh! but no bumps or tripping hazards! I want to be able to sweep the whole thing and not have edges to catch on. Here are some example photos, taken YEARS ago so there's a lot more STUFF in there now, but just for example - and hopefully these may help??? Slightly different topic, but this is the outside that has gone REALLY REALLY bad, shifted, lifted, settled, etc It's really hard to tell but the area that is the lower left in the photo is an extreme drop or slope, and water cuts DEEEEEEEP ruts into that and has washed so much gravel and dirt down that the section of concrete in the lower left is mostly covered now - because the guy was an idiot and didn't put drains in like I wanted. NEW will have two long drains with steel grates - one that goes across and to the right, another slightly south that goes just part way from the right then all the way left and drains out under the little drive area to the left or east in this photo. So draining will be finally solved, TWO large long drains with grates that will support a heavy truck. |
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304-dude
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Fire retardant... Should have stated it as weld proof, as good hot drips and spatters will lift or pock your coating.
Well I can see you have everything a mix of sorts, and yes them steel wheels on hydrollic Jacks can bite on textured coatings. Slowly eat away and chip at it. As for Jack stands with L shaped legs, welding skids at the corners, will keep any digging in and gouging. I guess I am one to think about the welding issues more than anything else, as it all depends on how much is done in one area, or after time. Though, once the floor has been covered, I guess touch up work on burnt eras can be done. Caustic chemicals and solvents, I would prefer to do outside, and would think of having a roll away system, if so inclined. Again, we all do things shop wise different, and what seems simple and easy, may just add clutter or be more than what is needed. I admit I over think some things for the unexpected, as it is always the unexpected that makes me feel I should have done this or that before hand. So, I may annoy the bajeezus out of you with ideas as I have seen so many ways of having a shop, and gathered why some are done one way over another. Like chemicals have a drainage area as not to pool. Some have steel grates so nothing pools under feet, and so on. Having your work erea being any random spot, with just about any means, makes a lot of thought into how to address not only coating but care and maintaining. I talked to our new neighbor, who had professionally installed textured epoxy coating done to his two car garage. It was done over a month ago with a 15 year old cement floor. It took a through cleaning and grinding, as our garages cement is smooth textured. Then after 2 days of drying the pouring and laying out the coating and texture. He does not do heavy work just likes a clean garage. It looks to be very durable and a light grey look. All I can say is a weeks time must be given from beginning to end. So not only proper prep must be done with old cement but proper curing before any thing is done on the floor. So I guess the steel grates for drainage was already thought of... Though I may have made it sound like it had to be used as a loading ramp. I always think of more than the obvious... Drainage was a hidden feature of a loading ramp, nobody wants pools around their shop.
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billd
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LOL - I guess you don't understand plating......... it's got to be in a set place. The caustic chemicals, acids, rinses, etc. are't exactly something to be moving around plus you have multiple tanks, and power supplies, etc. It's not like portable welding. You setup and stay there for the most part, if you move you move it ALL.
I know about all of these situations, I'm still simply looking for the best coating for the whole floor, not concerned about all that other - which I consider trivial and for 5 decades have worked out as needed. Drainage is covered, but my shop sits HIGH. That's worked out with a professional. I know how to deal with the other stuff and will as it comes up, so I don't really need tips on jack stands and so on at this point. I want to concentrate ONLY on a floor coating - the product, strengths and weaknesses with the criteria I have already gone through multiple times, and will survive the work I do, even if it means some minor changes or mods, which I will handle. So please - restrict to the coating itself, brand, company, COLOR, strengths and weaknesses. Nothing else, nothing about entries, drainage, tips on moving things out, etc. Otherwise I may have to start over with a clean thread asking to restrict to the coatings only, colors only. And only from those knowledgeable on the concrete coatings as this thread started out in the first 2 pages. This is so far off course now no one else will chime in with comments on epoxies, colors, finishes or brands. Please, no more about anything other than the floor coating, or the color of the coating. I can and will deal with the tools and how I use them.
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MD Racer
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I used a Rust-oleum Epoxy Shield kit on the shop area floor in my shop. I bought it from Menards. I also put the chips in the paint and coated it with a gloss coat sealer from the same manufacturer. It so far has been very durable, I have rolled engine stands over it, dropped tools without any chipping. So far I am happy with how it turned out, it has been in place over a year without any problems. Here is a couple of pics of the work area.
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billd
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Welder, solvent tank, engine stand, rolling seat, tool box, shelving/benches, everything except a refrigerator. i'd say you have a "do it all here" shop.
It's very encouraging to see real-life examples of even the non-professionally installed products holding up. Gives me some hope. The company that does concrete leveling was out today and spent a bunch of time on the front sidewalk, just minutes on the driveway in front of the garage, then somewhere around an hour and a half on the shop floor. Actually the shop floor went better than the front sidewalk! Yeah, as expected raising the outer part that dropped an inch didn't make the inner part that lifted go back to where it was, but we were all pleased to see that it DID drop an appreciable amount. Grinding the concrete there should handily make that floor more like it was when new - with no trip hazards. I suspect only 1/8" grind, the filling the joints, would make it so things could roll easily. Since they got the floor lifted as planned I can now move forward with the other plans - finishing the floor surface (grinding/leveling through grinding the high spots off, filling joints, prepping and apply epoxy or similar product, and ripping out and replacing all exterior concrete. That means I have to get busy and talk to more floor finishers and choose a company and product, and then a time. Until that is done - until the floor is either finished, or we decide that i've already shot the budget for this year and next and skip the floor finishing and simply move stuff back onto the floor as it is, which is almost looking more likely now since so many things are costing so very much, my shop is down, unusable, can't get to anything, can't use major tools, etc. So it's decision time, decide on product and company and see if we can afford it after the leveling and light purchases today and move forward, I hope, from there. Otherwise I have no shop for however long and that is causing me real stress and withdrawal. But the concrete lifting/leveling went well and that is a relief at least. |
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S Curry
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I used the Rustoleum epoxy kit. Well two of them. Got at Menards. Concrete was 6 mo. old. Acid etch and all the prep done as recommended. Still there after 9 yrs and going strong. I clean once a week with a bucket of water some Mr Clean and a squeegee. Jack stands, gas and oil spills, engine stand, floor jack doesn't seem to bother it. You do have one of those " Absolute Garage Stores" in DSM area. Check it out.
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What can someone expect to pay for polishing? Let's say in a two car garage floor? I have never seen this process.
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Ram Air Rick
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I do work on that floor, but will admit it's probably no where near as much as you do. I wish I had the real estate to have a larger garage. I did the best I could under the current restraints the town affords us. My 3 car garage has to do a lot. It houses 4 vehicles (two of which are driven daily) and serves as a shop too. That's a lot to ask of 720 sq ft. When we added onto the house back in 2000, I did put a small addition onto the basement, which is actually kind of separate (attached but divided). That's where we store the bicycles, lawn mower,s now blower etc.. My reasoning was to keep that stuff out of the garage to dedicate it more for the cars only. Rich C. |
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