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    Posted: Apr/04/2012 at 2:55am
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Do someone have experience with Edelbrock Heads and the Edelbrock Springs what are installed from Edelbrock.
How much rpm can you go with this springs befor Valve floating? (Mechanical flat Cam)

Thanks for your help, Dom

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You will have to contact Edelbrock for the specs.  The RPM depends on the cam choice and also to a lesser degree, the rockers, pushrods, and lifters.  Edelbrock will have a cam that they recomend with those springs and if you choose that one or one very close you should be O.K.  If you are going bigger on the cam or the profile is more agressive, you will need the appropriate springs.  I believe the ones that come on the heads are around 110 seat pressure and 220-230 open.  That would be god for a mild street cam.  What are you going to run?
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Hi
 
It is an 401 race engine and have new Ede heads this winter installed.
I use the Edelbrock springs just for break in the new cam.
I wonder how much rpm you can go with this springs because they are only single springs.
I have a Schneider Cam, custom grind mechanical flat tappet. This cam recommended springs with a seat pressure around 145 and open 355.
The only springs with the right dimensions i have found are from Compcams with the number 930-16 This springs look very close to the recommended springs.
I hope it will work fine?!?

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Well, if they float out you'll just lose power, shouldn't cause any permanent damage -- unless a piston can contact a valve. 
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I swapped out the springs with the behive type from Comp cams and used titanium retainers and I run a roller cam, no valve float at 7000rpm.     
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401 "race" engine with Edelbrock heads? That money would have bought MUCH more power modding a pair of the 7/16" rocker studded AM heads. Or a pair of Indy SR heads. The Edelbrock heads are "already maxed out" according to Edelbrock tech - you can't go up in valve size & they flow about the same as stockers. About as good as an SBC head. But they sure are purty....A set of well-prepped AMC heads (ported & flowed, mill spring seats for large dia springs) can go 8,000+ rpm & 600HP + or -, depending on the details. My 8k heads lost 800RPM when a spring broke. The "Performer Plus" series is fine for a trail rig or grocery getter, tiny ports, tiny cam. Pretty much SBC specs applied to AMC bolt pattern. Disappointing, to say the least. A well prepped AMC headed engine NEEDS a Torker (ported larger helps), 850 or bigger Holley, still some UltraRam twin-Dominator intakes out there, too. I use 660 center-squirters mounted sideways on mine, big boost over extrude-honed Torker & 900 dbl pumper. Very embarrassing to the GM, Ford, & MOPAR guys. Floating the valves is NOT "no problem" unless you machine for valve spring seats to put your shims UNDER. Floating the valves regularly (easy on a good AMC) will cause the shims to spin & get ate up by the end of the valve spring. Especially BAD on an aluminum head. A floating valve WILL end up breaking the spring. Usually won't drop a valve with flattop pistons, they hit squarely & you will hopefully detect the clickey broken spring, maybe a bent pushrod or 8, loss of rpm capabilities. Oh yeah, solid lifters strongly indicated if you want to rev. If you haven't yet, go to the Indy Head Service site & see their AMC 401 crate engine, around 900HP. I know one AMC guru who claimed he saw 10k, right before his self-built race motor blew. He used home-made 2.5" primary headers. We NOW have H-beam rods available for AMCs 40+ year old design that can & does still confound cookie-cutter tin-can builders all the time....LOL   
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Holeshot is right on for a race engine. Indy heads would be MUCH better. For a mild to mid level street performer the Eddy heads/cam package is okay. By "floating the valves is no problem"I meant on occasion, not all the time. I should have stated "occasionally" first. 
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Morning folks
I have drive the engine the last years with machined 291 AMC Heads. It works fine!
The engine is a 401 0.30 over with Wiseco Pistons and K1 Rods, Torker and so on.  It is full prepared and run very strong, no problem. The RPM we run is 7.500 1/min with the old Cam and the 291. The best time we run is 10.85 last year with the Pacer.
Now we use the Ede Heads and have done a lot of work on the Heads, so i think they will flow right. And its less weight!
Yes, maybe you are right with the Indy Heads. But out of the Box i am not sure that the Indy SR are much better than the Ede. You have to do work on both Heads for only Racing.
I use most of the parts from the exist setup so the Indy Race Heads are no goal for me.
But i can not use the Valve springs because the install hight and dimensions are different from the 291 to the Ede Heads.

Sorry for my bad english, i am from Europ and its not my Mother language

Greeting Dom

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I am currently having some AMC edelbrock heads cnc ported at Knowltens thunder heads.
They will flow
mailto:295cfm@500lift - 295cfm@500lift intake, mailto:211cfm@500lift - 211cfm@500lift exhaust
mailto:305cfm@600lift - 305cfm@600lift intake, mailto:224cfm@600lift - 224cfm@600lift exhaust
they use 2.14 intake valve and 1.6 exhaust.
they are $2899 heads supplied
or $1100 port your heads.
http://knowltonsthunders.com/store/ - http://knowltonsthunderheads.com/store/
 
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