Electric Oil Pump

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Used for feeding turbos, but really great pumps. Not sure if they would take long hours of continuous running, but 4 gpm should be enough. Says the large model will run a continuous 40 psi. 

This is worth reading the preview: http://papers.sae.org/2005-01-4086/

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farna Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Supporter of TheAMCForum Moderator Lost Dealership Project Joined: Jul/08/2007 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 19692	Post Options Post Reply Quote farna Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/27/2017 at 10:36am
	https://www.rbracing-rsr.com/oilsystems.htm Used for feeding turbos, but really great pumps. Not sure if they would take long hours of continuous running, but 4 gpm should be enough. Says the large model will run a continuous 40 psi. This is worth reading the preview: http://papers.sae.org/2005-01-4086/
	Frank Swygert

Boris Badanov Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/14/2013 Location: NH USA Status: Offline Points: 4210	Post Options Post Reply Quote Boris Badanov Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/27/2017 at 9:08pm
	Thanks, that abstract is excellent and mostly is what I am thinking of! NO dry starts. 60 psi all day every day. The #1 nightmare in a AMC V8 defeated. Reduced horse power loss at high rpms is a bonus. heck, using creative alternator controls you can dump the field in the alternator for a burst of power running off the battery only.
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Mopar_guy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Supporter of TheAMCForum Joined: Jun/07/2009 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 4837	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mopar_guy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/27/2017 at 9:25pm
	Interesting idea and I don't see why it can't be done. Pumps and seal have come a long way with viton materials. We have pumps running in way worse conditions at work on machines than what one would be in a street or drag car and IMO a big step ahead of the factory pump. A little research on how much volume and pressure an engine would need and finding the proper pump are the first steps to making this work. I've also wondered why someone hasn't tried adapting a crank driven pump from a newer engine onto an AMC motor. With CAD and CNC machines nowadays........
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Boris Badanov Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/14/2013 Location: NH USA Status: Offline Points: 4210	Post Options Post Reply Quote Boris Badanov Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/27/2017 at 9:33pm
	Funny but this where I started brainstorming this. Adapting a GM Geroter pump to an AMC V8. Being externally balanced makes it a problem. Electric solves everything in one shot. What I am scheming about now is a Geroter pump electrically driven.
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amx600rr Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Supporter of TheAMCForum Joined: Jan/26/2014 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 420	Post Options Post Reply Quote amx600rr Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/27/2017 at 10:03pm
	I hope you can make it a 3 section pump for a dry sump system. Getting the oil pump drag load off the distributor gear would be a plus.

amcenthusiast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Jul/02/2012 Location: SW Atlanta GA Status: Offline Points: 1778	Post Options Post Reply Quote amcenthusiast Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/29/2017 at 2:22pm
	-going by the original question, saw this hydraulic convertible top pump and thought to post it here for 'brainstorming' type idea: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-1963-Rambler-American-400-440-new-convertible-top-hydraulic-pump-motor-/220770591035?hash=item3366f3e13b:m:mAWKn_XNsMopUA7Y7EQe6Yw&vxp=mtr -could be pressure and toggle switch controlled?
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Boris Badanov Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/14/2013 Location: NH USA Status: Offline Points: 4210	Post Options Post Reply Quote Boris Badanov Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May/29/2017 at 2:30pm
	The issue to make this work is finding a continuous duty motor that makes around 3 hp. Adapting said motor to a existing pump is relatively easy. The electric motor in question has to be capable of lasting for thousands of hours at it's rated power and rpm.
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bobsterfl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Jun/18/2009 Location: Orlando, Fl Status: Offline Points: 261	Post Options Post Reply Quote bobsterfl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Sep/19/2017 at 5:03pm
	For what it's worth, I've been running a Mallory electric pre-lube oil pump in my Javelin for years. My Javelin tends to sit sometimes for a couple of weeks without being driven, and I hate those cold starts. The pump is connected to the ignition hot side and runs for about 30 seconds when I turn the key on. I usually have to switch the key off and back on before I get oil pressure at the gauge. Wouldn't be without it on an application like this. I don't believe Mallory still makes this setup, but I did find something on Amazon that would work. You really need a gear type pump as a electric fuel pump just does not have enough heuvos to first of all, pull cold oil from the pan and then push it into the engine. Here's a link to what I found. https://www.amazon.com/Enginegear-1GPM-Gear-Pump-Motor/dp/B00G4G7XFY/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1505858335&sr=8-11&keywords=12+volt+oil+pump Bobster

Boris Badanov Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/14/2013 Location: NH USA Status: Offline Points: 4210	Post Options Post Reply Quote Boris Badanov Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Sep/21/2017 at 8:08pm
	Thanks! I ordered one just because..... But what I am thinking of is more like a electric replacement for the stock pump. For drag racing a Harley geared starter motor driving a stock pump would be ok. For continuous duty something different is needed.
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bobsterfl Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Nut Joined: Jun/18/2009 Location: Orlando, Fl Status: Offline Points: 261	Post Options Post Reply Quote bobsterfl Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Sep/21/2017 at 10:17pm
	Boris, I think any electric pump for continuous use would draw an awful lot of amps, making the alternator work harder so I don't know if you would gain anything. Secondly, the stock pump is speed sensitive, meaning it pumps more oil the faster the engine turns. i don't know what the max volume of the stock pump would be at any given engine speed. An electric pump may over pump at low speed and under pump at high speed, kind of like trying to use an electric waterpump on the street. For a drag only application, it may work fine. Keep us posted on what you learn from this project. It sounds interesting. You know, a lot of new cars are using electric vacuum pumps and electric steering assist, but they are engineered for the application. That's how they do the self parking feature. Just a few algorithims in the steering assist motor. Take a peek under the dash on some of these new cars. Pretty interesting.