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Correct Mechanical Fuel Pump AMC 68/69/70 390 ? |
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badaboom
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Posted: Oct/19/2016 at 6:38pm |
What is the correct AMC 390 V8 Mechanical fuel pump?
Correct Mechanical Fuel Pump for AMC 68/69/70 390 Carter or other make model parts numbers? I believe I have a carter pump noted as a 0-2208 I believe is a carter pump. 80-292 on diaphragm frame of pump. What is the stock fuel pump inlet/outlet like 3/8 " pipe thread? I ask because an example replacement performance pump carter M6906 has like inlet/outlet like 1/2 " pipe thread...What's with different sizes? Just wanting to insure stock pump setup as close as possible. Also what is the stock steel fuel line 3/8" OD is stock? Didn't the original carter carburetors for these motors from Carter have the fuel inlet on the drivers side rear of the carburetor? And Most replacement carter carbs have the fuel line inlet on the rear driver side of carburetor? Experience and knowledge? Answers best resources for such things appreciated rebuild kits?? Where? thanks Edited by badaboom - Oct/19/2016 at 10:05pm |
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CamJam
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Electric or vacuum wipers? For 69-70 and electric wipers the original pump was a Carter M-4656S. For 69-71 with vacuum wipers it's Carter M-4657S. 68 was different. Carter M-41825C with electric wipers and MPF-4336SA with vacuum, though I think the differences are minor... perhaps just position of the inlets and outlets. The modern replacements for the M-4656S all seem to be made by the same company now, no matter which brand you buy, and they are problematic. The internal design is different from the original Carters and the oil seals on the new pumps frequently give out. I have a separate thread going on this subject where I have been trying different things to resolve this. If you're going to use a new pump I recommend you glue the seal housing in with JB Weld and drill out the oil vent holes. See page 4 of my thread for more details. http://theamcforum.com/forum/fuel-pumps-wth_topic80356.html McRobb Performance Products also make a nice replacement pump, but it is fairly expensive and does not look like the original. That's what I would use if originality is not important. |
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badaboom
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Know where to get any rebuild kits for Carter fuel pumps?
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CamJam
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Here are a couple of possibilities for the kits. I'm told that the X-cast pump used in many of the late 60s V8 Mustangs uses the same rebuild kit, though I haven't verified that personally. Then & Now (see link below) would probably know or might even have the exact kit for the M4656-S. http://www.ebay.com/itm/AFP-67-Mustang-AMK-Products-Carter-Fuel-Pump-Rebuild-Kit-Boss-302-Boss-429-428CJ-/381802356099 http://then-now-auto.com/fuel-pumps/ Also, keep in mind that there is a fuel pump with the number 4656 used on early Corvettes. I think it's made by AC and I don't think it's the same pump as the Carter M-4656S, |
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badaboom
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appreciate the hints
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401MATCOUPE
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The difference between 68 and 69 pumps are 68 has filter in bottom of pump, 69 the filter is at the carb.
The original 68/69 Carter pumps all have 1/8" NPT inlet and outlets, the Carter performance version has 1/4" HPT Threads. 1970 pumps are sealed and completely different the 1968 and 1969. The factory fuel line from the tank to pump and from pump to carb were always 5/16" If you want exact fit replacement fuel lines, buy them from Fine Lines in Ohio...period, do not buy from In-Line tubes, worst tube seller ever and Customer Service is horrible...nothing is their fault....there is a reason they are cheaper then everyone else, don't be fooled. Cameron has provided kit information, I have bought many kits from Antique Auto Parts Cellar/Then and Now and their kits are also friendly with Ethanol Fuels.
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Ross K. Peterson
68X,GoPac,343,AT,52A(1stCar) 68X,GoPac,390,4sp,52A 69X,GoPac,390,4sp,64A 70X,GoPac,390,4sp,87A,8 70X,GoPac,390,4sp,BBO,8 70 Jav SST,390,AT,BSO 74MatX,401,AT,Prototype 74MatX,401,AT |
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74gremx
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All the pumps, 1967 - 72, from the parts book
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CamJam
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Parts book shows the same pump for 69 and 70 with electric wipers (WEW), except for the "WDT" designation in 1970. What is "DT"? |
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scott
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WDT = With Dual Throat carburetor.
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401MATCOUPE
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Think DT-Dual Throat aka 2 barrel carb.
Fuel Pump for 4V in 1969 to 1970 is different
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Ross K. Peterson
68X,GoPac,343,AT,52A(1stCar) 68X,GoPac,390,4sp,52A 69X,GoPac,390,4sp,64A 70X,GoPac,390,4sp,87A,8 70X,GoPac,390,4sp,BBO,8 70 Jav SST,390,AT,BSO 74MatX,401,AT,Prototype 74MatX,401,AT |
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