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    Posted: Dec/02/2017 at 5:25pm
hi .. could you use a t-14 transmission to replace the t-96 in a 1969 rambler 220 with a 199 motor
.. if so , would it be a direct replacement or would things like driveshaft length / shift linkage / input shaft length be different .. thanks
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Look at Matt's old ramblers...
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They are pretty different. I tried this exact swap, and gave up. Too difficult.
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i have done this precise swap.

the T14 bolts into the hole, mates with the existing pilot and clutch no problem.

the bolt pattern may, or may not, be the same as your T96. there are at least two T96 bolt patterns.

you will definitely need to shorten the driveshaft. but that costs about $125 here in expensive Los Angeles.

the speedo cable is different, and worse, in a different location, and it may clunk on the chassis pan.

the bad news is, the T14 truly sucks, as far as gearing goes. the gap between first and second is 94%, driving it is like a four-speed but skipping second. 

the good news is, the T14 is a brick s**thouse compared to the T96. all synchro too. very solid and reliable.

more "good" news, lol, i have one here. i rebuilt it, it's very clean and sweet, it came out of my '61 American behind a 195.6 OHV. no leaks, all new innards, has 5000 miles on it, silent and solid. in Los Angeles however. i'll sell ya cheap, but... hmm i think i just did a lousy job of selling. lol.

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hey! here's a clean picture of the T14 installed on the T96's bellhousing. the speedo socket is there behind the box of the transmssion. it's got a plug in the hole (i run electric speedos).

that is the one i have, it's still that clean. 


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I've seen this before. Top loaded top shifter, EXTREMELY COMPACT design and HEA-VY. Found a 4WD version in a 73 CJ and at a glance thought it was a T-18. It resembles a T-18 in size until you realize it's some antiquated 3spd but the slender sloping 1-angle shifter gives it away. This is the kind of 3spd you need to study where the floor and ceiling are for each gear before you start driving with it. There's nothing wrong with these internally but they're a pain to use in traffic and anywhere that isn't flat pavement. Why would American ever assign these to Jeeps? You can't crawl with it and good luck towing. Just get the SM420 and be done with it. The inline 6 is annoying enough at low displacement but it's even worse when it's hunting for a gear that isn't there.
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The big problem with a trans swap for the T-96 is that it was only used on the small six bell (41-71 models).  There are only a few trannys that will fit directly, and all are old. Modern Driveline made a run of adapters to fit a Mustang V-6 T-5, but not sure if they have any or still make them. It's a CNC program for them, so they CAN make more, but might be costly if they have to run a single adapter. I think they farm the CNC stuff out. You'd still have to have a driveshaft made and figure out the speedo. Note that the 58-63 American drives the speedo in the opposite direction as the 64+. This corresponds to the location of the drive gear hole. If the drive gear is below the output shaft it turns one way, on top of the shaft turns the opposite. You can swap output housings on early and late transmissions to swap, but has to be like model trannys (T-96 for T-96, M-3x and M4x aluminum autos).

58-63 American, 56-62 big cars have a different trans to bell bolt pattern than 64 American, 63 and later big cars.  Corresponds to four point/three point engine mounting.
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Originally posted by DaemonForce DaemonForce wrote:

I've seen this before. Top loaded top shifter, EXTREMELY COMPACT design and HEA-VY. Found a 4WD version in a 73 CJ and at a glance thought it was a T-18. It resembles a T-18 in size until you realize it's some antiquated 3spd but the slender sloping 1-angle shifter gives it away. This is the kind of 3spd you need to study where the floor and ceiling are for each gear before you start driving with it. There's nothing wrong with these internally but they're a pain to use in traffic and anywhere that isn't flat pavement. Why would American ever assign these to Jeeps? You can't crawl with it and good luck towing. Just get the SM420 and be done with it. The inline 6 is annoying enough at low displacement but it's even worse when it's hunting for a gear that isn't there.
Why would you put a truck transmission in a car? The car is a 1969 Rambler with a 199 3 on the tree. He just wanted to know if a T14 will fit in place of a T96....What you said is off the wall.
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Well, since I'm only familiar with trucks, the CJ is technically a truck and even my Eagle is classed as a light truck...Just chiming in with familiarity on the 4WD side. If you read the above about crawling and towing, you'd get the idea that my vehicles do actual work rather than simple transportation. For this reason I think the 199 would be a dog with a T-14. Maybe that's why the CJ that I found with one had a 304 under the hood. This was somehow factory issued. Since time has caught up with all of us, the T-14 is a poor choice all around for a swap. T-15 and T-150 are better choices. The big problem probably isn't the engine but the bell pattern and transmission availability. I would stick with the T-96 until better options emerge but from what I see there aren't any. Ouch
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oh wait! NOT A JEEP/TRUCK T14! There is an AMC delivered, AMC outfit, T14 trans with traditional side shifter. take a look at the pic in my post. that's an AMC passenger car transmission. 68 Rebel i think.

sorry i didn't state this clearly earlier.

if you want that thing in the pic, $100 it's yours. its spotless and like-new.

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