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abdywgn
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Posted: Jun/18/2015 at 8:07pm |
if a cylinder head has balanced flow(exhaust at least 70% or more of intake flow),is a straight duration cam the one of choice? just the sake of simplicity,let's say the compression and rpm range is matched to the duration.
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mixed up
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in my experience with amc from the factory they use strait duration for smooth idle but most of my motors I build they like split duration
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ghinmi
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It really isn't about duration as much as where the opening and closing events occur and duration is what it is. Every cam grinder has their own take on it. Mine has always done split duration cams for my AMC with exhaust 80% of intake. But just because someone does something different doesn't mean it's wrong. Best you can do is pick a cam grinder you trust and let them run with it. And don't second guess them before you've tried it.
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Sonic Silver
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Most of the dyno testing that I have seen has been primarily done on the old small block Chevy which had worse exhaust to intake flow percentage than AMC. This should mean that a split duration cam should be more beneficial to the Chevy than to the AMC V8.
The dyno charts of the split duration cams usually picked up maybe 8 to 10 horsepower above maybe 4,500 to 5,000 rpm compared to straight duration cams, and lost almost that much under 3,000 rpm. Most of these tests were done on hot street combinations with headers. It seems to me that a split duration cam does the same thing as a slightly bigger straight duration cam would.....loses power on the bottom end, and gains it back on the top. |
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klvn8r
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http://jonescams.com/
Lots of options, easy to talk to. klvn8r |
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Boris Badanov
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Cam timing events have less to do with real head performance than most think.
I strongly suspect these people posting here are aware of that. The exhaust event is times to give the maximum scavenging that is inclusive of opening early enough to purge all exhaust gasses and create the important vacuum boost to the intake event. The intake typically requires less timing to be optimum at the same desired engine speeds. True no matter what balance you have in the ports. Nearly half of the flow through an un supercharged engine is caused by the pull of the exiting exhaust pulse. This is why "tuned" headers make more power than a better flowing manifold or shorty headers. |
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jtsllc1
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So this would mean exhaust is more important then one would realize?
The exhaust could effect the torque range by drawing in more of an intake charge and packing the cylinder which might require increasing the jetting. In addition this could mean there might be an advantage for running smaller primary pipes to create more velocity depending upon the application. Adding equal length pipes with the correct rotational firing order combined with the correct scavenger collectors could enhance the motors performance while maintaining the same power range of the cam.... I wonder what the potential HP would be? Mickey Thompson achieved a 10 percent HP gain over the competitors by using his Scavenger Headers for project Javelin This raises the Question is a dual pattern cam a bandage to cover up for a poor exhaust combination? Is it more important what the head flows at the port on a flow bench or what happens after the port on a running engine???? Very interesting |
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401jim
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I agree with JTSLLC1. Now that the secret is out of the bag. AMC for years have had a better flow out of the exhaust than most sbc ever had. The headers have a direct connection to scavageing than most people realize. It all depends on cam events and intake charge velocity. I stick with what runs best and not try to jump all over the place with what other people run. Your combo may not work well in another engine almost identical. There is always a little difference in any engine combo.
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Boris Badanov
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It has never been a secret, the effect was known since
the 20's. Really taking advantage of the effect took till the post WWII hotrodders entered the game. |
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amc67rogue
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Pontiac engines all used cams with longer EX. duration to help the poor flowing ex. ports. The 340 Mopar had 8 Deg. more ex. duration with more lift for the same reason.
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