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The Blurr 
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 Topic: Bell Housing differances early 232 questionsPosted: Dec/29/2018 at 9:36pm |
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So I just bought this 1967 rambler american, has a perfect running 232 in it that was rebuilt at some point. Trans is an automatic and has no 3rd gear, I want to swap it to an overdrive stick. I have pedals and a T-5 aswell as a T-170 tremic 4spd overdrive trans from an 80's 6cyl ford.. I need to know if there is a bellhousing out there that would mate up to either the T-5 and early 232 or the 232 and T-170. The T-170 uses the same bolt pattern on it as a T-18 or T-19 or NP435 and probably others.. I thought maybe something from a certain year jeep product but wasnt sure they used the early 232 in those at all..
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Posted: Dec/29/2018 at 10:11pm |
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Jeep Gladiators, later called the J-10, and Wagoneers used the early 232 and 258, small bolt pattern from about 1967-68 or thereabouts after they quit using the 230 OHC Tornado six.
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66 American SW, 66 American 2dr, 82 J10, 70 Hornet, Pound, Va.
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The Blurr
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Posted: Dec/29/2018 at 10:29pm |
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Good info, that's stuff I can look for. Thank you
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Posted: Dec/29/2018 at 11:03pm |
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As stated, you will need the early bellhousing. You will also need to get an adapter plate from ModernDriveLine to bolt the T5 to the bellhousing. What year T5 do you have? The 3.8L version from 96-99 has the correct input shaft length and the factory speedo cabke fits in the trans. You will also need a Dorman 690-043 pilot bushing (iirc) and you will have to locate a flywheel and pressureplate. Those will likely be the hardest to find. The disc needs to be for a 2.3L turbo Mustang/T- bird/Merc Capri. If you can find a flywheel, a competent machine shop should be able to drill and tap it for the Ford pressurepkate, which means you'll always be able to get a new one. The throw out bearing from the clutch kit works on the factory fork with just a little trimming to said fork. A longer fork pivot is needed, too. From there you need clutch linkage or go hydraulic.
If it's not already obvious, I've done this swap before. I did a write up on it in the transmission section. It was on my 1970 Javelin that is a factory stick, but, it should be all you need to go by. I've also done the conversion from auto to T5 in my 1969 Rambler, with 232.
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Posted: Dec/29/2018 at 11:34pm |
I take it the flywheel for a 232 is a hard piece to get and not being made at all. A friend told me to swap in a later jeep 4.0l and put a carb on it, said then I can locate the parts to swap to an overdrive stick easy. Also where is your shifter location now in that 69 rambler? Are you running an S-10 tailhousing? Thanks for your help
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232jav3sp
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Posted: Dec/30/2018 at 8:09am |
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The flywheel is hard to find. You can put a feeler out in the wanted section and see what comes up. The later flywheels (72-up) won't fit the crank or the bell.
I'm using a stock T5 out of a 98 6cy Mustang. I'll have to take a picture of the shifter location for you. It ended up being perfectly placed with no extension housing swap or offset shifter. Swapping in a later 258 or 4.0L is the best way to go since flywheels and clutches are readily available. Best part about the 4.0 is much more hp/tq then your 232. Carbing it isn't hard, either. In the end, you'll spend the same amount, or less (depending on your area) to do a 4.0/T5 swap then to put a T5 behind your 232.
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Posted: Dec/30/2018 at 8:48pm |
I would love to see pictures of shifter location if you can please. I have a good running 4.0 from a 97 jeep. But I actually know a guy with some old jeep trucks in the 60's he may have a 232 flywheel from one..
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Posted: Dec/30/2018 at 8:51pm |
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be careful selecting a pre-72 flywheel for the six. there's two diameters. both have the same center, crank mounting flange pattern. the outer diameter and ring gear its different:
* small diameter used on 195.6's and I dunno, maybe 199/232 in 1964-up Americans. * large diameter used on 199/232, dunno exact applications. iv'e got some pics here http://sr-ix.com/Roadster/transmission/T5research/index.html, scroll down to FLYWHEELS. maybe someone has better detailed info. frank? |
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1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
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Posted: Dec/30/2018 at 9:30pm |
Thank you for the great info, lots to learn.
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