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MN Gremlin
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Posted: May/14/2012 at 12:14am |
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amchornet1970
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Posted: May/14/2012 at 8:25am |
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I only used the head and fuel injection system with the header. Oh and I swiched to the one belt system also. I bought a donar jeep and it has had almost everthing I needed. I did not use the jeeps hvac system my car allready had ac just the ac compressor. I do need to get ac lines made up yet and buy some high presh. fuel hose,a fuel pump block off plate for the block. Nothing major though, my biggest expence was getting the head redone. I do have to buy an electric fan set up cause my jeeps was smashed.
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farna
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Posted: May/14/2012 at 1:05pm |
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The donor can provide everything needed if you're a bit inventive with things like the fuel pump. If you don't pull the transmission you have to use the CPS relocater kit, which is right at $300 with shipping (from HESCO). Advance Adapters had one that I liked better, but it may no longer be available -- call and see. Price is close to the same as the HESCO, but the AA kit uses a standard CPS, the HESCO a modified one only available from HESCO.
Save your old AC hoses! You need new ones made with modern hose anyway, as the old R12 hose will very slowly (like over the course of 2-3 years before you need to top off) seep out R-134a due to the smaller R-134a molecules. Modern "barrier" hose (the only kind available) doesn't. 20+ year old AC hoses need replacing anyway. Save the old ones for the ends. A shop can reuse the ends for the flare fittings (original type) if they don't have new ones. Carefully split the outer casing with a hack saw, being careful not to cut through the hose, and peel it off. Then split the hose with a knife and remove the hose from the end. The hose maker can put a new ferrule on the end and crimp it on a new hose. New ends are preferred, but sometimes you have no choice. |
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MN Gremlin
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Posted: May/14/2012 at 5:10pm |
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farna
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Posted: May/14/2012 at 6:04pm |
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No MECHANICAL difference at all. The only "gotcha" is the EFI system. The Grands usually have anti-theft devices and such that may be hard to defeat. earlier models just had the security keys with built-in chip, later model (I don't think until 2000 or later) have a chip in the instrument panel that the computer is matched to -- if it's not there the engine won't run. You can use a 91-95 computer and harness with a 97-99 engine if you can find both. A Wrangler (no chance of finding one of those in a cheap salvage yard!) or Cherokee harness will work -- pre 96 is best because less chance of an anti-theft device, but some have used the 97+ Cherokee harness. If it's a pre 2000 model you should be okay with the harness and computer, but I've never swapped one later than a 95 (no OBDII, just OBDI and Renix).
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amchornet1970
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Posted: May/14/2012 at 8:41pm |
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Frank is right 91 to 95 obd 1 engine controller systems are the easiest to do and a regular cherokee has a little less wiring in its harness. While the 96 and up engines have a better cam and better ported heads you can eaisly port your head and install a good cam into a older one.
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SportaboutX
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Posted: May/15/2012 at 5:06am |
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I like the idea of a modern efi swap in an AMC...I love the looks of these fine cars...but the engines..let be honest unless you age going all out performance, they make no sense. It is crazy in this day and age to have a 4.2 6 that can't even break 20 mpg (or even close to that) and have only about 100hp.
If you do an engine swap, and are not going jeep 4.0l, I would only swap in something with VVT, that is the way of the future, and will insure you are getting mileage consistently in the 20+ range. |
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Posted: May/15/2012 at 11:44am |
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A variable transmission would be hard to do though. No rear drive modern ones that I know of. So you're stuck with four speed autos (the AW4 behind the AMC six) and five speeds, unless you want to pony up some big bucks for aftermarket six speeds.
Everything has it's place and time. You can get better power and economy from the stock engines with just a few mods, but by the time you but new parts you're better off with a 4.0L swap. You might be able to comb the local swap meets and/or e-bay and find most parts used, but AMC six parts aren't real common. I consistently get 20 mpg on average with my 4.0L and AW4. Could get a little more if I optimized it for mileage, but would cost a good bit for 2-3 more mpg and I'd lose a little performance. Right now I think I'm at a good balance between the two. |
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MN Gremlin
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Posted: May/16/2012 at 4:28am |
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Posted: May/16/2012 at 10:58am |
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Yeah... now I gotta look up "VVT".... okay, "variable valve timing". Well, I knew the Prius has a CVT, didn't realize it had the VVT engine. I know the VVT helps, but not so sure it helps as much with power as with emissions. In other words, if you didn't worry about emissions and picked a good cam, I think you could do just as good. When you have to worry about both then VVT is worth it.
If you have a good 4.0L ready to go and/or the 4.2L needs rebuilding, then yes, it's probably more efficient to swap the whole thing out. If you have a good 4.2L and would have to rebuild the 4.0L short block then it's questionable. You wouldn't even have to pull the 4.2L out to change the head. If you have to rebuild either one and have both I think I'd go with the 4.0L too. That or build a stroker. A simple stroker with the 258 rods would cost no more than rebuilding either engine. To use the longer 4.0L rods you'll pay about a $150 premium to get the right pistons. The block needs to be decked to get good quench too (piston edges need to be at the deck, head gasket compresses to 0.040-0.042", which is all the quench you want), so add whatever that costs. About $300 more over a standard rebuild. That's a lot less than it was before Bulltear came out with their forges stroker pistons ($429 a set of six -- Keith Black IC944 work but are $550 a set). The KB pistons may require machining to get compression down or you could have problems running regular fuel (premium should be okay). The Bulltear pistons are available in stock compression (8.7:1 -- you should be good with 9:1, but no more). Used to be more like $1000-1200 over a budget build. For $300 more I'd go with the long rods if you build -- it's worth it for the longevity. The bore clearance still needs to be kept tight, but that extra 1/4" up in the bore should make a difference (4.0L rods are 6.125" long, 4.2L rods are 5.875" long). |
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