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Scooterguy
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Posted: Jan/14/2016 at 9:17pm |
I am new to AMC torque command tranmissions and AMC engines.It is my understanding that the 727 and 904 transmissions are the same as Chrysler Torqueflite units of the same model. That sounds too simple for this old man. I have a fresh shop rebuilt 401cid to replace the deceased 304cid in my new old 73 Javelin. the 904 trans of course does not bolt up to the 401. So, I am looking for an AMC 727 and there are none to be found within a considerable distance of home. I can find rebuilt Chrysler 727s in the catalogs of a couple reputable National parts vendors I have done a lot of business with. My question to this forum is will a Chrysler 727 torqueflite of similar vintage bolt up properly to a what appears to be a 1975 AMC 401 engine. Thank you for advice and suggestions in advance.
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1970390amx
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Short story is no. The chrysler 727 has a different case, you could find one from a full size jeep and have it rebuilt and use a two wheel drive output shaft. The 904 will bolt to the 401 and after a performance rebuild would be my choose to run behind your 401
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FSJunkie
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They will surely have different shift points, clutch packages, band adjustments, line pressure settings, etc. Fine tuning stuff that most people don't care about.
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The short story really is the guts ar the same supposedly between AMC anD Chrysler as they are the same transmission. The bell housing bolt patterns are different.
So a MOPAR transmission will not bolt to an AMC Engine and ' An AMC transmission will not bolt to a MOPAR engine. But the internals should be comparable AMC and MOPAR both had 727's and 904's and I believe they both had a 998 variation. There may be minor differences of course probably depending on what year one is looking at for comparison, but nothing to write home about. |
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The 904 trans weighs 25 lbs less than the 727. The 904 has a 2.74 first gear and a 1.54 second gear. 727 has a 2.45 first gear and a 1.45 second gear. The 727 is also appx 4 inch's longer than the 904. Also the 727 has a larger output shaft so the 904 yolk will not fit a 727. Any good shop that builds transmissions can set up the band adjustments and check valves for correct line pressure on the bench before the unit is installed in the car. Most overlooked is the kickdown linkage adjustment. If not set up correctly, the trans will not shift properly and you will burn up the bands. A well built 904 will easily hold 450 + horsepower.
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A 904 has a 2.45 low A 998 has a 2.74 low A 727 and 904 use the same valve body, same line pressure. |
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Yes it does bolt to the 401 The transmission itself will hold up fine behind a 401. The problem that can occur is the pump drive(Torque convertor snout) on a 904 is smaller and they have a tendency to break.If you run a 904 hard,tow,do big burmnouts they will break the convertor. A 727 will not usually break the pump drive because it is bigger. |
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Just to make sure I have this right: A Chrysler 904 is a bolt on to the AMC 401 engine. Any idea what vintage 904 transmission is correct? Thank you for the lead.
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Our car will be driven only by this old guy (me) who has done enough burn outs and assorted power maneuvers in 60+ years. We have a cherry body original Javelin which will be used mostly for our car club cruise events.
I managed to confuse the AMC transmission numbers when I made the "does not bolt up" comment. I should have written 998. Thank you for your help. |
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