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You said race engine...you should not expect the same oil pressure from higher clearances. But a quick spec of the pump will tell you a lot. I would also suspect different areas of that engine like the lifter bores, bearing clearances including the thrust bearing (which is often overlooked by engine builders. Often the biggest initial loss is the space between the gear top and bottom in the oil pump. Its the killer of a oil pump.
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Originally posted by 74Bubblefender 74Bubblefender wrote:

You said race engine...you should not expect the same oil pressure from higher clearances. But a quick spec of the pump will tell you a lot. I would also suspect different areas of that engine like the lifter bores, bearing clearances including the thrust bearing (which is often overlooked by engine builders. Often the biggest initial loss is the space between the gear top and bottom in the oil pump. Its the killer of a oil pump.



I agree 100% on the oil pump. I don't remember the pump gears end clearance specs off the top of my head. But I replaced the cover on a 360 once before that was out of spec. We used some wet grinding compound on a plate of glass and ran the pump housing mating surface over it for what felt like forever and took .001" off and then figuring gasket thickness were able to get the gear endplay within specs. I sometimes use Bulltear midplates between the pump casting and filter adapter to give the gears a harder wear surface to ride on. They include a slightly thinner gasket too, I believe. It was good for 10 psi at idle in one engine I used it in, if I recall correctly.
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We finally got the oil changed and looks like pressure is ok.
Running 20w-50 Valvoline VR1 racing oil.
at 1500 RPM Idle cold we are at 65 psi
at 1500 RPM Idle Hot (195 ) we are at 40 PSI

as I increase RPM to 6000 pressure goes up to max 65 PSI Hot
I think we are fine.

We did take it to the sand drags and ran a 5.2 out of the gate and after some fine tuning we got it down to 4.89.
Still tweaking fuel & timing and should be able to get to 4.7's.


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Sounds like the same thing I had with my 401. 10W-30 pressure was low, 20W-50 was good. I'd bet the main bearing clearances are excessive but if you're going to run the thicker oil it may be okay.

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who runs synthetic oil in their race engines and what is the preferred brand?
and at what point can I switch over from the VR1 racing oil?
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I run Amsoil Dominator Racing oil because of its high Zinc content.
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I also run and use and sell Amsoil Dominator racing oil...
and when you said clearances are within spec.. you never did mention what specs you are refuring to?  like if it is from the Old Performance american style book.. well things have changed since those days.. and if you are running big clearances then you need to run 20-50 for good oil pressure.. my engine doesnt like 20-50.. i run 10-30 because my clearances are not huge like that book said to use..
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I run .002 to .0023 main clearances and for oil I run straight 30W Valvoline or Rotella with rislone ZDDP in all the old cars and the lawn tractor as well
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10W-30 Mobil 1 in my street/strip 401 with TSM spec main and rod bearing clearances. Running roller lifters so lack of ZDDP isn't a problem.

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Most aftermarket lifters are smaller diameter then factory, complicate that with worn lifter bores.
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