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dwg86
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I am assembling my 401. I plastic gauged the mains and I'm getting .001 clearance on 1-4 and .0015 on number 5. Seams tight to me. This engine is getting rebuilt because #8 piston and cylinder wall was scored, and it sounded like it had a rod knock. Oil pressure was 65 psi hot running down the road, 35 hot at idle 10w30 oil. The bearings looked trashed when I tore it down, but crank looked good. I know the service manual says .001-.002 main clearance, but .001 sounds tight. Opinions or real world experience have any advice?
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Rebel Machine
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I spent three years tracking down a low oil pressure problem with my AMX's 401 after having it rebuild. Turns out the machine shop used the clearance specs provided by the bearing manufacturer which was twice the clearance they should have been. They measured between 0.0035" 0.0040". It flowed too much past the main bearings so it didn't hold enough back for the cam bearings and wiped all five. The last time it was done clearances were set to 0.0017" (spec is 0.001" - 0.002"). It holds good pressure and was enough clearance to comfort the machinist. These things aren't Chevys so don't treat them like they are. Stick with AMC's specs from the factory service manual. Don't use Plastigauge, it's not accurate. Use a micrometer and bore gauge. -Steve- |
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6PakBee
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Steve,
I've used Plastigauge in the past with what I thought was success. What kind of discrepancies have you seen? I will admit that when you are at the end of the 'range' of a given size (either high or low), reading it may be something like reading tea leaves. |
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Roger Gazur
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Rebel Machine
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I used Plastigauge early in my diagnosis of the low oil pressure problem I was having. The clearances measured within AMC's specs. You can see this journal measures about 0.0015" using Plastiguage. When measured with a micrometer and dial bore gauge the measurement was much different, almost 0.0040". Possibly the other side of the journal still had space between it and the bearing. -Steve- |
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6PakBee
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Wow. Over 0.002" difference? That is not insignificant.
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Roger Gazur
1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
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jcisworthy
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.0025 on the rods and mains will work well in a 401 performance application.
I ask the crank grinder what he needs to turn the crank to then mock up appropriate bearings in the rods and mains, measure and tell him what to turn to for .0025. I agree with Rebel Machine, use a bore gauge.
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6PakBee
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Okay, what are you guys using for a setting tool for your bore gauges? I've used a bore gauge for taper and ovality but those are relative measurements, not absolute. I've seen the Sunnen gauge checker but as I recall that was somewhere around $800 or so.
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Roger Gazur
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53w
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To set are bore gauges we use gauge blocks to set the mic to size wanted in tenths and lock mic. Then using the locked mic we Dial in bore gauge that also reads in tenths to the mic. For acurate measurement you always want your measuring tool one scale better then you want in output. You want to measure .oo1 you need measureing equipment capable of .0001.
Edited by 53w - Sep/26/2016 at 7:55pm |
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53w
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Far as plastic gauge i have not used it in years. I was told in school when we used it that is acurate if done right. Countless engines over the world been built with it. I build 2 strokes with needle bearings last 20 years.... so plastic gauge never got used after i got out of school. I think every thing was done with mic and bore gauges and transfer measurment tools. Plastic gauge was used to varify to be correct before final assembly.
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jcisworthy
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For an inexpensive gauge you can use the one in the link below and set it up with micrometers.
The gauge comes with a .0005 accuracy but you can swap out the one in the second link for .0001 accuracy. http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/bore-gages/2-6-dial-bore-gauge-20-depth-1 http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/dial-indicators/25-dial-indicator-0001 |
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