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    Posted: Dec/04/2016 at 11:07am
Output for 1971-73 models (gross):
Horsepower 200 hp (149 kW; 203 PS) @ 4400 rpm
Torque 280 lb·ft (380 N·m) @ 2200 rpm
Compression ratio 9.5:1

Output for 1974 models (gross):
Horsepower 200 hp (149 kW; 203 PS) @ 4400 rpm
Torque 280 lb·ft (380 N·m) @ 2200 rpm
Compression ratio 8.5:1

Output for 1975-76 models (gross):
Horsepower 200 hp (149 kW; 203 PS) @ 4400 rpm
Torque 280 lb·ft (380 N·m) @ 2200 rpm
Compression ratio 7.7:1

Output for 1977-78 models (gross):
Horsepower 200 hp (149 kW; 203 PS) @ 4400 rpm
Torque 280 lb·ft (380 N·m) @ 2200 rpm
Compression ratio 8:1

Output for 1979-81 Standard models (net):
Horsepower 132 hp (98 kW; 134 PS) @ 3800 rpm
Torque 216 lb·ft (293 N·m) @ 2200 rpm
Compression ratio 8:1

Output for 1979 American 06/S and 1980-81 Rally GT models (net):
Horsepower 172 hp (128 kW; 174 PS) @ 4200 rpm
Torque 225 lb·ft (305 N·m) @ 2600 rpm
Compression ratio 8.5:1

Output for 1982-83 models (net):
Horsepower 129 hp (96 kW; 131 PS) @ 4000 rpm
Torque 218 lb·ft (296 N·m) @ 1800 rpm
Compression ratio 8.5:1

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Early 258s had more hp, torque ..and compression
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a 200 HP 258?   when the 304 made 210 HP in 70-71. then the 304 makes 150 HP in 72.   I think you need to have your eyes checked.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_straight-6_engine

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Those HP and torque figures and rpm sound more like 304 figures,  though a little low.

I've seen plenty of torque values for 258, without exception, they all have the peak at 1600 rpm not 2200.   And AMC never made a early 70's 258 with a 9.5 compression ratio, it was 8.5.

I've probably got over 20 books and manuals right here close at hand that say those figures are a misprint, or nonsense .

Those numbers from Wiki are for the Mexican made 282,  as plainly stated in the Wiki article.
The 282 only had the 258 crank in a Mexican, ( VAM) produced block, and head .
It had a 4 barrel intake, headers, 2.02 intake valves,, 1.62 exhaust valves, and less sedate cam,  not hardly your US made 258.

If you could find one of those VAM heads, you could fit it to a US built 199-232-258,  but not before you notch the top of the bores for valve clearance. 




Edited by tyrodtom - Dec/04/2016 at 2:45pm
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Wikipedia, why? Use a better source.
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Wikipedia IS usually a good source. The Wikipedia article is correct AFAIK. The specs Gelalthedamned posted are for the VAM 282 (Mexican), not the AMC 258.

One thing though, GROSS hp is 1971 and older, NET hp is 1972 and later for US products. Apparently VAM used the older gross rating system longer, with the split being 78/79. The 282 used the 258 crank but had a larger bore. VAM 252 used the 232 crank and same bore as the 282. VAM cast their own blocks from AMC cores, so it was easy for them to make the bore bigger. Not sure if they made the cranks down there or not, but it's still cheaper to change the block casting than crank. VAM needed the extra displacement because they didn't make a V-8 and the high altitude near Mexico City. The factory was in Lerma, right outside Mexico City.

For those who don't know, VAM is "Vehiculos Automotores Mexicano". It was a joint venture between AMC and the Mexican government.
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Wikipedia is a third source at best. It's a collection of people's opinions, which are often incorrect. There are so many better sources available.
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Frank pretty much said everything that had to be said.

Those specifications belong to the VAM 282 six, not to any of the AMC sixes.

The Gross rating system that AMC (and all of the US auto industry) used until 1971 was still used under VAM until 1978. I don't know if it's the same case for the rest of the makes in the Mexican market of the era. VAM used the net rating system for the first time in the 1979 models.

The VAM 282 was rated 200 gross horsepower from 1971 through 1978.

Estimated Net figures for those engines are as follows:

The 1971-1973 units with 9.5:1 compression ratio, steel intake manifold, points ignition and Carter ABD carburetor (360 CFM) had an estimated 145 NET horsepower.

The 1975-1976 units with 7.7:1 compression ratio, steel intake manifold, electronic ignition and Holley 2300 carburetor (350 CFM) had an estimated 120-125 NET horsepower.

The 1977-1978 units with 8.0:1 compression ratio, aluminum intake manifold, electronic ignition had an actual 132 NET horsepower (350 CFM Holley 2300 carburetor) in 1977 and an actual 129 NET horsepower (325 CFM Motorcraft 2150 carburetor) in 1978.

I do not have information in regards to an aproximate net figure for the 1974 282, which had 8.5:1 compression ratio, steel intake manifold, points ignition and a Carter ABD carburetor (360 CFM). I can only speculate it sits at some point below or above 130 hp.

VAM kept on using the 132 hp figure from 1979 through 1981 for marketing reasons, until they decided to show th actual 129 net hp figure for 1982.

VAM did produce crankshafts in the Lerma engine plant.

For more information on the VAM 282 visit a topic in this very subforum titled Mexican Engine Heads
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Wikipedia is not necessarily a "collection of opinions". On some subjects it obviously is, but on most that have hard facts available there are people with those facts that monitor the articles. I monitor several of the AMC related articles and have upon occasion made corrections or clarifications, but I try not to "bully" anyone who makes changes. Some people seem to claim "ownership" of an article and get upset if someone adds to or changes the info. I double check when something is changed and on occasion make minor corrections or add clarifications if it doesn't seem to read very clear. A few vigilant, knowledgeable people can keep at least a factual article straight. I've only had one or two occurences where someone put things in that were obviously opinions or urban myth stated as fact. I don't think either were in AMC related articles, some old computer articles I ran across.

I think Mauricio added the VAM specs to the AMC Six article. Probably need to go in and add a spec list like that to the US models. Got to find time! But if anyone here wants to do that feel free. It's pretty easy to edit the articles on-line. You can edit without creating a log-in, but please do! When you create a log-in your log-in is in the change ledger. Also make a short note of what you changed. I seem to recall that you can have Wikipedia send you an alert when a change has been made also... but you have to have a log-in for that.
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Still though..the drop of horsepower over the years, I don't get it. Is it purely compression related? Like why is a stock 73 meaner than a 77?
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