The AMC Forum : 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American http://theamcforum.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; The AMC Forum : 6 Cylinder Engine Repair and Modifications : 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American Mon, 20 May 2013 08:47:53 +0000 Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:31:18 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.03 360 theamcforum.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3369 The AMC Forum http://theamcforum.com/forum/http://www.theamcforum.com/forum/skin_images_amc/forumheader.png http://theamcforum.com/forum/ 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : farna wrote:A simpler setup... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29975.html#29975 Author: 1967AmericanSW
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Posted: Mar/21/2008 at 2:31pm

Originally posted by farna farna wrote:

A simpler setup may be the cable from Lokar. It's not cheap, but several people have used it and it's much neater and easier than the linkage. Most hot-rod shops can get it. Will be listed as a Chrysler cable, of course, but fits AMC model TFs just fine. 


The replacement tranny came with a Lokar throttle pressure cable-----thus far it has been a royal PITA getting it to 'interface' with the bellcrank throttle linkage. ]]> Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:31:18 +0000 http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29975.html#29975 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : A simpler setup may be the cable... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29972.html#29972 Author: farna
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Posted: Mar/21/2008 at 2:10pm

A simpler setup may be the cable from Lokar. It's not cheap, but several people have used it and it's much neater and easier than the linkage. Most hot-rod shops can get it. Will be listed as a Chrysler cable, of course, but fits AMC model TFs just fine. ]]> Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:10:14 +0000 http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29972.html#29972 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : Got the engine running today;... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29967.html#29967 Author: 1967AmericanSW
Subject: 3369
Posted: Mar/21/2008 at 12:16pm

Got the engine running today; it sounds good (no smoke, etc).

Installed the driveshaft and may have a handle on sorting out the throttle pressure cable.


]]> Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:16:03 +0000 http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29967.html#29967 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : I used a generic Chevrolet transmission... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29839.html#29839 Author: 1967AmericanSW
Subject: 3369
Posted: Mar/20/2008 at 12:56pm

I used a generic Chevrolet transmission mount; elongated the two top holes to line up with the mtg holes in the tailshaft and shimmed it away from the tranny using a 3/8" steel spacer made from two 3/16th's plates stacked together.

On the crossmember; I simply notched the existing holes and 'relieved' the one edge of it where ith was fouling the speedo gear 'hump' in the tailshaft.

The modified mount/crossmember now fit like a glove.

The radiator that came on the car was from a 1970's Hornet so it had the tranny cooler built in. The donor transmission came with hard lines so I simply extended 'em using steel tubing and compression couplings.

Driveshaft; come to find out, was 2" too long (at least the yoke and rear U joint were correct), it is being modified as needed and will be stabbed in tomorrow.

I need to get a Mopar style speedo gear and matching cable.

Which leaves me figuring out the gear shifter rod and the kickdown for last.


]]> Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:56:57 +0000 http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29839.html#29839 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : The linkage shouldn't be... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29567.html#29567 Author: farna
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Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 4:10am

The linkage shouldn't be a problem. Horizontal or vertical isn't an issue -- works either way as long as nothing interferes with shift rod movement under the car. What you need to be concerned about is the LENGTH of the shift arm on the transmission. From the center pivot point on the trans to the center of the hole for the rod needs to be the same on BOTH transmission for the shift quadrant to be correct. If the TF arm is longer, the shifter will move past the quadrant on both ends, if shorter it won't move as far. In either case the pointer won't line up. The "clicks" are in the trans, not the shifter, so you can still shift by counting the "clicks" as you move the shift lever. I don't even have a quadrant on mine, the column came from a car with the quadrant in the dash. I just put it in gear by feel -- easy to get the hang of once you drive it a few times (even my wife can drive it!), and it's a good theft deterrent too -- no one knows how to shift unless you tell them! That narrows the possible thiefs down a good bit... ]]> Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:10:33 +0000 http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29567.html#29567 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : Wrambler wrote: 1967AmericanSW... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29547.html#29547 Author: 1967AmericanSW
Subject: 3369
Posted: Mar/19/2008 at 12:57am

Originally posted by Wrambler Wrambler wrote:

Originally posted by 1967AmericanSW 1967AmericanSW wrote:

OK: any thoughts on how I can hook up the gear shifter rod? The BW 35 had a vertical level on the case whereas my replacement tranny has the stereotypical Mopar style horizontal one.

 

   How about getting the linkage from a 72up Hornet?

It "should" do the trick if your trans came from a column shift car.

   You might still have to tinker with it.

Lokar makes some "generic" shift linkage stuff for column shifters too.


Looks like a trip to Pick-A-Part is in the cards for this Saturday-----there may be a Concord/Eagle or two left from which I can pirate the linkage as well as a Mopar speedo pinion.

I will keep everyone posted on what transpires.]]> Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:57:41 +0000 http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29547.html#29547 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : 1967AmericanSW wrote:OK: any... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29529.html#29529 Author: Wrambler
Subject: 3369
Posted: Mar/18/2008 at 4:11pm

Originally posted by 1967AmericanSW 1967AmericanSW wrote:

OK: any thoughts on how I can hook up the gear shifter rod? The BW 35 had a vertical level on the case whereas my replacement tranny has the stereotypical Mopar style horizontal one.
 
   How about getting the linkage from a 72up Hornet?
It "should" do the trick if your trans came from a column shift car.
   You might still have to tinker with it.
Lokar makes some "generic" shift linkage stuff for column shifters too.
]]> Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:11:17 +0000 http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29529.html#29529 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : Wrambler wrote: 1967AmericanSW... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29526.html#29526 Author: 1967AmericanSW
Subject: 3369
Posted: Mar/18/2008 at 4:02pm

Originally posted by Wrambler Wrambler wrote:

Originally posted by 1967AmericanSW 1967AmericanSW wrote:

Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

Should fit. The BW has the Ford style gear end.
The transmission that is going in is a 1972 TorqueCommand with its Mopar speedo drive. Any idea for a tranny mount? The original crossmember lies directly under the 904 tailshaft mount boss. As for a speedometer cable; would a 1972+ Hornet, etc. one fit my 1967 American speedometer head?

 

My AMC T5 used chrysler speedo setup too.

I used a 73 Hornet cable it fit perfect.

For a mount I just bought a generic GM trans mount and modified it till it cleared the stock crossmember.

I had to do some clearance work on both the sides of the mount and the crossmember needed clearanced too.

  It took a bit of fiddling with, but ended up working perfectly.

The two long slots in the bottom of the stock crossmember are now used to bolt the mount to the crossmember. No welding at all. Just grind trim, test fit, grind trim, test fit. The slots were not flat but bulged downward so I also hammered them flat.

  Hope this helps,


I was leaning towards GM mount as well after looking in my motor mount catalog.

OK: any thoughts on how I can hook up the gear shifter rod? The BW 35 had a vertical level on the case whereas my replacement tranny has the stereotypical Mopar style horizontal one.]]> Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:02:25 +0000 http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29526.html#29526 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : 1967AmericanSW wrote: poormansMACHINE... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29522.html#29522 Author: Wrambler
Subject: 3369
Posted: Mar/18/2008 at 3:13pm

Originally posted by 1967AmericanSW 1967AmericanSW wrote:

Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

Should fit. The BW has the Ford style gear end.


The transmission that is going in is a 1972 TorqueCommand with its Mopar speedo drive.

Any idea for a tranny mount? The original crossmember lies directly under the 904 tailshaft mount boss.

As for a speedometer cable; would a 1972+ Hornet, etc. one fit my 1967 American speedometer head?
 
My AMC T5 used chrysler speedo setup too.
I used a 73 Hornet cable it fit perfect.
For a mount I just bought a generic GM trans mount and modified it till it cleared the stock crossmember.
I had to do some clearance work on both the sides of the mount and the crossmember needed clearanced too.
  It took a bit of fiddling with, but ended up working perfectly.
The two long slots in the bottom of the stock crossmember are now used to bolt the mount to the crossmember. No welding at all. Just grind trim, test fit, grind trim, test fit. The slots were not flat but bulged downward so I also hammered them flat.
  Hope this helps,
]]> Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:13:02 +0000 http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29522.html#29522 1972 AMC Six+AT being swapped into a 1967 American : I think the Hornet cable will... http://theamcforum.com/forum/1972-amc-six-at-being-swapped-into-a-1967-american_topic3369_post29509.html#29509 Author: farna
Subject: 3369
Posted: Mar/18/2008 at 2:08pm

I think the Hornet cable will fit the head. Unfortunately you won't know for sure until you pull it.  I'm pretty sure it will though -- the older (63 and earlier) cars are different, but I'm pretty sure the 67 is the same as later ones.

I had the same problem when mounting my AW4. I bolted a 1/4" thick plate to the trans and drilled and tapped it for two 3/8" fine thread bolts. I use a stud type shock end cushion between the plate and BW style crossmember then another cushion between the bolt head and crossmember. You might want to use a stud in the plate, or run a screw through the plate from the top if there's room between the trans and plate. You'd have to drop the crossmember, but studs would be easier to work with if you go the shock cushion route. You can get shock end cushions from the HELP! section, or you can use sway bar end links. I wouldn't use poly cushions though, they are hard and almost like bolting up solid.
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