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[QUOTE=ccowx]The height for pre-load is different by about an inch between a Javelin and an AMX. Check the TSM for sure. I also am of the understanding that an early 68 AMX does not have the pre-load method of installation, unlike the later ones.

Please elaborate. I was going to use the 1969 TSM AMX torque link pre-load instructions, would they not also apply to a 68 AMX? 
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I am sure someone else will know more than I do and will hopefully pitch in here. What I know is that on early 1968 AMX's the torque links were not adjustable. I would assume that most 68 AMX's would have had adjustable TL's and since I don't believe there were any significant changes to the suspension between 68 and 69, the 69 TSM should give you the same pre-load instructions. If you have the early 68 non- djustable links, I do not have any instructions for them. 

Please note the word "assume" here, I do not have either a 68 or 69 TSM, nor do I currently own a car of those model years. If I am wrong, hopefully others will correct!

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Originally posted by ccowx ccowx wrote:

I am sure someone else will know more than I do and will hopefully pitch in here. What I know is that on early 1968 AMX's the torque links were not adjustable. I would assume that most 68 AMX's would have had adjustable TL's and since I don't believe there were any significant changes to the suspension between 68 and 69, the 69 TSM should give you the same pre-load instructions. If you have the early 68 non- djustable links, I do not have any instructions for them. 

Please note the word "assume" here, I do not have either a 68 or 69 TSM, nor do I currently own a car of those model years. If I am wrong, hopefully others will correct!

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PS: Yes, White70SST, do check the roof structural integrity of your garage before doing this!! 



I'd have to look again at the torque link set I have, but my memory tells me there is no "adjustment" to any of the torque links AMC made. It's all about the preload and that's it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
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OK, I take that back, there is a little bit of adjustment. It can be seen in this photos. But isn't that slot with thru bolts where the preload adjustment ends up being set? Once that's done, there is no more adjusting.
I think this set might be off a 70 or newer AMC.


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My understanding is yes, that slot in the Axle Tube end bracket is where the adjustment it made.
I have a 1969 TSM, Section 11, page 11-5, it says, Figure 16 - Torque Link Adjustment:

6-11/16" AMX Series
5-11/16" Rambler and Javelin Series

quote: "To adjust the Torque Links, remove rear wheels, disconnect both rear attaching bolts and load the car until a 6-11/16" (AMX) 5-11/16" (Javelin and Rambler, if so equipped) height is obtained between the top of the rear axle tube and the bottom of the body side sill (Fig. 16).  With the car in this loaded condition install and tighten the torque link bolt to 100 Foot Pounds Torque." end quote
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If Javelins were dealer installed group 19 parts, does anyone know how the front bracket was located and installed to frame?
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Couple things. 

The adjustment is the slot in the top piece, as White70Javelinsst points out. The early 68 versions do not have such an adjustment slot, it is simply a hole there. 

The Group 19 version for the javelin had a different mounting arrangement on the frame rail than an AMX. The AMX had reinforcements inside the frame rail, to keep it from crushing or distorting. Since Javelins did not, you were expected to cut a hole in the side of the frame rail and put a plate inside to reinforce the frame rail where the bolts came through. You were also given a plate with eight self tapping screws to cover the hole when you were done. 

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ccowx - you were gracious to scan and post a link to a 1968 AMC Parts Manual were you not ?  but unfortunately it is / was missing the Group 19 Section iirc...
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I don't have an easily scannable page, but take a look here:


You can see the reinforcing plate and cover for the hole, especially when compared to the one you posted on page two of a factory fitted AMX TL. They look identical, other than the mounting to the frame rail.

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Thanks, the image is very helpful. I can fab those plates up easily. I’ll just have to figure out how big an opening to make and how to locate bracket on rail. I’m thinking mount rear spring mount and link, center link in slot and mark location on frame prior to preloading.
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