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    Posted: Aug/28/2014 at 5:26pm
Here's a quick one: after I did all the maintenance on this car and topped up the fluids in the tranny and rear end, I noticed a leak of rear axle fluid on the inside of the passenger side tire (see photo).It takes about a week of sitting to leak this much. Is this a sign I overfilled the differential and I shouldn't worry about it, or should I pull the axle and have the seal replaced (or actually have it done, I don't have much experience with rear axles).

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HI, i've experience this on my 60 Rambler cross country. We pulled the hub and remark there is little loose on the axle( side to side), so we tighten it by pushing the bearing and put a shim . And now everything looks good.

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As for filling the rear too much the level should only come up to the bottom of the fill hole with the housing level.

Are you sure it is gear lube and not brake fluid from a leaky wheel cly.?
Even if you did over fill the gear lube it should not come out the wheel ends or the housings that is a sign of bad axle seals. Once they start to leak the only fix is to replace them.

After the leak is fixed if any fluid got on the brake shoes they will need to be replaced.
If the axle seal is bad or wheel cly. I would do both sides at the same time just to be safe.
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To answer one question: it's hypoid fluid for sure. And I filled the differential up to the fill hole as described.

Anyway: I found a posting on this forum from 2009 under the topic of pulling the hub, since it looks like such a nightmare I'm trying to avoid it. And as it turns out, (I'll link the topic later) it appears that what I need is only an inner seal. One of the posts said that what can be done is to disconnect the brake line and the parking brake cable, then unbolt the backing plate from the axle tube and slide the whole thing out as an assembly. Put in a new seal, slide it all back in and away you go (so to speak).

Pardon my ignorance on rear axle/differential/bearing issues, I've never had to deal with them before. Fronts, sure, rears never. Regardless, all replies are appreciated as always!

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Originally posted by cnagorka cnagorka wrote:

To answer one question: it's hypoid fluid for sure. And I filled the differential up to the fill hole as described.

Anyway: I found a posting on this forum from 2009 under the topic of pulling the hub, since it looks like such a nightmare I'm trying to avoid it. And as it turns out, (I'll link the topic later) it appears that what I need is only an inner seal. One of the posts said that what can be done is to disconnect the brake line and the parking brake cable, then unbolt the backing plate from the axle tube and slide the whole thing out as an assembly. Put in a new seal, slide it all back in and away you go (so to speak).

Pardon my ignorance on rear axle/differential/bearing issues, I've never had to deal with them before. Fronts, sure, rears never. Regardless, all replies are appreciated as always!



This should work.
Make sure to repack the bearing! Unless you have the current leak it does not get lube from that axle. It is a self contained/lubed bearing as in a front wheel bearing type.
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I'm not sure you can get the seal out without pulling the hub, but it's worth a try. You have to do all that work to take the axle out anyway. Once out, take it to an automotive machine shop and have them remove the hub and replace the seal. I'd go ahead and replace the outer bearing as well -- it's not much. Wouldn't hurt to do both sides, but the other can be done later. Just make sure and tell them the axle nut needs to be torqued to 250-300 ft/lb. TSM says 250, but 300 won't hurt. 
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If the bearings are still OK just changing the inner seal should stop the leak. Before pulling the axle, bearing, hub, outer seal, and backing plate as a unit; I'd check the axle end play at no more than .008". If more than that the left one would also need to come out to remove shims as required. 

Have fun repacking the wheel bearings with the hubs and backing plates still on. Do it before sliding the assemblies back in.
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Rear axle bearings don't have to be packed like front wheel bearings. Won't hurt, but just oiling them up before reassembling should be sufficient. They get a bit of oil from the differential. Spray lithium grease works well, better than oil, and with the little plastic tube you can get it in the bearing with the backing plate on. IIRC the AMC car axles don't have an inner seal, just an outer seal. Jeeps have an inner an outer seal, but I've only replaced seals and bearings on an FSJ with D44 axles. I would think the Jeep AMC 20 would have inner and outer seals as well, since Jeep axles are expected to be under water a good bit (car axles aren't). I don't recall inner seals on the AMC 15 I replaced seals and outer bearings on for my 63 American. I've never replaced an inner seal on a car axle, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.



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T/T AMC 20's have the inner seal Frank, not sure about the 15's.
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My AMC 15 had a similar leak. I pulled the hub and back plate, replaced the seal and put it back together. Not a drop of leakage or any other problems in about 20,000 miles.
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