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billd
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Posted: May/11/2011 at 10:14pm |
I was asked about AMC Motorcraft 4300 carbs, the differences, etc.
I'm going to post what I think I know - feel free to correct me where I'm wrong, and maybe this can be a guide if the info ends up correct....
First, the 4300 was used starting in the 1970 model year. In 1970 and 71, AMC used the B/W automatic which had no "kick-down" linkage, it was a vacuum modulator setup. Thus for those 2 years, there will be and should be no linkage for a transmission on either the "automatic" or "stick" version of the carb. If it's got linkage, it's wrong for 70/71, and depending on the linkage, it MAY be a Ford carb, and not an AMC carb. Further, the correct 1970 carb has NO nipple on the back for the PCV - it will have a blind hole, it's not drilled through on the inside.
Many remanufactured carbs used later bodies and the reman company plugged it inside with a plug or epoxy, so just because it's got no PCV nipple and says "for 1970 AMC" does NOT mean it started out life that way. If you've ever been inside a place where they "rebuild" carbs, you'll know why I hate them so much.......
Anyway, here's some examples. I'm not certain exact year that they went to the PCV nipple on the carb, but know for at least 1970, this was in the spacer and not the carb body itself.
First - a true 1970 carb from an AMC showing lack of ANY kickdown linkage, and no PCV nipple.
They will have a dashpot, and a nipple for the fuel inlet, not a filter.
Next is another, same thing - proper 1970 AMC 4300. The nipple at the back just under the air cleaner ledge/air horn is for the fresh/clean air intake tube going to the choke heater.
This is what I believe to be a 1972 AMC carb - with the kickdown linkage low on the throttle and with the PCV nipple:
Finally, a couple of FORD 4300s. One I KNOW is off a Lincoln... note the kickdown linkage high on the throttle - the Ford carb pushed the linkage back when the throttle opened, the AMC carb PULLS the linkage forward as you open the throttle.
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71SC360
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70 & 71 are the same
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ramblinrev
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Bill:
I think you're on the right track. Your pic of a '72 AMC 4300 would be for an automatic. The 4-speed version will-I think-look like the '70-71 carbs with no kick down linkage. BTW, kickdown on our '70-71 Borg Warners was accomplished with the electrical switch attached to the accelerator assembly under the dash. The modulator serves other funtions! (I know you know that!)
I have several correct '70's, a Ford version for parts, and a '72 or 73 AMC 4300 in my parts closet. I'll pull that one out and see what the linkage looks like.
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purple72Gremlin
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Just to add, I believe all 4BBLs from 1970-78 was motorcraft. think in 1975, started using the 4350, which has it own weird pattern on the manifold. and the 4350 had its set of problems too.
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billd
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Yes, but one some transmissions - the MOPAR as used by AMC, for example, they call it "kickdown" but it's really serving the same purpose as the modulator - press the throttle and the linkage moves a spool valve to control "throttle pressures" in the transmission. So in a sense, it's working the same job as the modulator - and the kickdown switch.
Ford is different of course. But for AMC, the kickdown linkage use more closely functions as the modulator - until or unless you floor it.
MOPAR linkage controls throttle pressure.
B/W modulator controls throttle pressure.
I guess that's where I drew the comparison.
Yes, my 72 AMC carb IS for an AMC automatic with the mopar transmission.
The 1972 4300 would look just like the 1970/71 as far as the throttle linkage.
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SuperStockAMX
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I went 10.50's with one in Stock Eliminator and 10.00's in Super Stock Eliminator. It is an excellent carb that really doesn't require much to be race worthy. I had my friend Bob Green buy one restored from Pony Carbs in NM for his restored '70 AMX and not only did it look great, it ran perfect (390 4-speed) right out of the box. No transition problems from idle to WOT.
FYI - I've spent plenty of time on the dyno trying bigger and smaller air bleeds and factory engineered is spot on. Jets (there are only two) should be drilled as stock can be lean. Opening up from stock (about .062") to around .068" will probably make a big difference for 90% of you. I seldom go bigger than .072". Also, the rear secondary linkage, if you disconnect it and flip it over the secondary will open all the way. Stock it opens about 85%. It won't make that much of a difference but it wont hurt anything. And use the TOMCO rebuild kit. It is much better.
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SKeown
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Naturally if you're hoping to run like Jeff's car, be prepared to spend money to have it tricked to flow a couple hundred more CFM. That's if you want the whole story...lol
SKeown
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SuperStockAMX
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Well...since you probably don't have a rule book, I'll tell you that in both classes you are not allowed to port or polish, thin the blades or anything else that will yield more CFM. Can't even take the choke off. And NHRA does check for this kind of thing. Often. And I, as others in the class, have been checked more than once by the best.
Anybody wants to take a look at it alongside their own Autolite is more than welcome!
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SKeown
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Sure Jeff, and you're heads and intake fit the guidlines too. Besides that you didn't dupe NHRA into allowing replacement pistons with gobs more compression. Who do you think you're kidding? I'm not saying you're the worst cheat out there, I am saying you're among the worst and a hypocrite to boot!
SKeown
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Hurst390
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tomco...you acutally use a tomco needle and seat? They have to be the worst needle and seats I have ever used...the rest of the kits are fine but tomco needle and seats belong in the trash..unless they have changed recently
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