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The later flywheels are still available for around $150 and will bolt right up to your crankshaft.  The stock AMC bell housing is designed for an AMC version of the  T-10.  You need the shallower bell (scattershield) currently available from Summit and others if you want to use the GM T-10.  The Jeep bell housing will allow you hook up the Mustang T-5 with the appropriate pilot bearing for that tranny's input shaft.  As mentioned above, you will need to make sure the 401 crankshaft you are planning to use has a pilot bearing in it for whichever standard tranny you use.
 
Tremak makes a much better T-5 than the Mustang T-5 although if you go with the Mustang T-5 be sure it is the stronger version from 94 (IIRC) or later.  The earlier one is not as strong as the later one and will easily frag from the 401s torque even without hard shifts.  Even the later ones will frag if shifted too hard, particularly into 3rd.  There is a much stronger kit that can be used on the T-5 that makes it must less prone to self destructing which will obviously require a rebuild to install.


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So would it be easier to sell the M21 and try to find an AMC T10?  Everyone seems to be avoiding the Muncie Trans.  Is there a reason for this?  I've always been under the impression they are one of the strongest 4 speeds out there.  Plus parts are readily available for them.  I guess I'm curious.  Given the situation what would veteran AMC guys do?
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Originally posted by STGKlopp STGKlopp wrote:

So would it be easier to sell the M21 and try to find an AMC T10?  Everyone seems to be avoiding the Muncie Trans.  Is there a reason for this?  I've always been under the impression they are one of the strongest 4 speeds out there.  Plus parts are readily available for them.  I guess I'm curious.  Given the situation what would veteran AMC guys do?
Yes there is a reason for it.  The car you want to use it on is an AMC not a GM car.  Differences to name a few are input shaft diameter, lenght, spline tooth size and count, shifter location, clutch pedal linkage fitment, tail shaft and housing length, output shaft spline count and tooth size, driveshaft yoke and length.  By the time you get done retrofitting everything it would be more aggravation than it's worth when there are alterntatives that are much closer to a direct bolt on over a Muncie. 
 
And who said T-10s were not as common as a Muncie?  Ford, GM, Mopar, Jeep and AMC all used them and parts are still readily available. Many, many of us have been running, flogging or racing T-10 equipped AMC for decades without any major issues and if you break something you just get a kit and rebuild it yourself or have a tranny shop rebuild it.


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OK, great info.  That's actually what I was looking for from the get go.  Like I said I'm new in AMC world.  I've got some research to do on the AMC T10's.  Thanks everyone.

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Originally posted by amx39068 amx39068 wrote:

Originally posted by STGKlopp STGKlopp wrote:

So would it be easier to sell the M21 and try to find an AMC T10?  Everyone seems to be avoiding the Muncie Trans.  Is there a reason for this?  I've always been under the impression they are one of the strongest 4 speeds out there.  Plus parts are readily available for them.  I guess I'm curious.  Given the situation what would veteran AMC guys do?
Yes there is a reason for it.  The car you want to use it on is an AMC not a GM car.  Differences to name a few are input shaft diameter, lenght, spline tooth size and count, shifter location, clutch pedal linkage fitment, tail shaft and housing length, output shaft spline count and tooth size, driveshaft yoke and length.  By the time you get done retrofitting everything it would be more aggravation than it's worth when there are alterntatives that are much closer to a direct bolt on over a Muncie. 
 
And who said T-10s were not as common as a Muncie?  Ford, GM, Mopar, Jeep and AMC all used them and parts are still readily available. Many, many of us have been running, flogging or racing T-10 equipped AMC for decades without any major issues and if you break something you just get a kit and rebuild it yourself or have a tranny shop rebuild it.
 
Rebuild kits are out there, but what about hard parts?  Input shaft, gears, etc?  I haven't found anyone who has new stuff.
 
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Rebuild kits are out there, but what about hard parts?  Input shaft, gears, etc?  I haven't found anyone who has new stuff.

 

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Not sure about worn out hard parts. May need a donor for those
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 All internal parts are availiable for T-10's and GM Super T-10 parts can be fitted as well. If you want to go beyond a 2.64 W ratio set you'll need to have the main case modified from the 7/8" cluster shaft to 1" and the input "comboed" by Liberty gears. The combo process entails using an AMC input shaft fitted into a Super T-10 gear. The gear is lathed off the AMC piece, the S. T-10 shaft is removed, they are then pressed together and welded on both sides. I've been running a 2.64 nickle input done that way for three years while launching as high as 7500 RPM, so it does work well. Recently Dan Curtis gave an old shaft to me so I could make the 2.88 ratio conversion. I intend to see if the current tranny will hold up behind the new engine combo first.
 
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Originally posted by SKeown SKeown wrote:

 
 All internal parts are availiable for T-10's and GM Super T-10 parts can be fitted as well. ........
 
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From whom?  I've talked to a couple transmission shops about the full 2:64 gearset and they claim they can't get some internal gearing for that ratio.  I don't mean the input shaft, I have one of those.
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Most of the Super T-10 parts fit. Anything to do with the countershaft won't interchange. I had a devil of a time trying to find parts for my T-10. All the small parts kits I found were for Super T-10. I was eventually able to get the correct thrust washers for the CS from Kennedy (or was it APD?) and the bearings from a local bearing supply store by size matching. I'm glad I didn't need synchros or gears. That would have complicated things even more.

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Originally posted by 6PakBee 6PakBee wrote:

Originally posted by SKeown SKeown wrote:

 
 All internal parts are availiable for T-10's and GM Super T-10 parts can be fitted as well. ........
 
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From whom?  I've talked to a couple transmission shops about the full 2:64 gearset and they claim they can't get some internal gearing for that ratio.  I don't mean the input shaft, I have one of those.
 
 If you have the 20 tooth input then Call Brian at S-K speed 631-957-9427, he can supply the other parts needed.
 
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