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Sonic Silver
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SC397
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I would use the later heads with step dowels and later intake. I have extra step dowels (bushings) if you need them. This will allowed for a better exhaust manifold as well as headers. I have never had a problem with intake leaks bolting later heads (post '70) on a older pre '70 block.
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WesternRed
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Really no issue with intakes, just use the correct one for the block you are running. Square port and dog leg heads have basically the same intake port location and size. Plenty of intake options, here are a couple to kick off with:
RPM Air-Gap AMC (non-EGR, for 1967-69 290-390 c.i.d.) P/N 7530 RPM Air-Gap AMC (non-EGR, for 1970-91 304-401 c.i.d.) P/N 7531 Torker for the early engines 2935 Torker for the later engines 2930 The 2935 was discontinued in 2009 so you are stuck with used, but the 7530 should still be available new although that is possibly discontinued now too. Taking a little bit of compression out with the bigger chamber heads might be a good thing depending on what sort of fuel you have access to and want to pay for. 10.2:1 with iron heads and no quench by having the pistons way down the bore is going to need some highish octane fuel. I think that quench is one of the most important things (besides the dog leg heads) you gain with the 360 over the 343, the extra few cubes is not going to make an earth shattering difference to performance. |
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68st343
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Question, if the drawback to a 343 is pistons are down in the block, an the 360 crank having a slightly longer stroke, does a 360 crank fit in a 343 block which would then let you use a 727 trans and fix the down in the hole problem with 343 engines? John
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WesternRed
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Using a 360 crank is a good solution in these engines, but remember that AMC raised the deck as well as increasing the stroke when they developed the later engine. What his means is that you really need a piston with a slightly shorter compression height than the regular AMC 360 piston or you can use some other tricks to achieve the same outcome otherwise you can end up with the piston sitting proud of the block.
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Cowboy.2010
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Thanks for all the info so far. Now I just have to decide which direction im going to go. Either leave square port heads and put four barrel aluminum intake with headers/exhaust OR the dogleg head set up. I dont plan on leaving the 343 in the car for all that long because I would like to find a 390/401 to build or build the 360 I all ready have so I can also have a 727 or turbo400 tranny. But I know how expensive engine builds go alot of time by getting put on back burner. So I want to be happy with the 343 for the time being untell I get the other engine built.
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6PakBee
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I haven't heard that term in years! Decades ago a friend and I were working on his Norton motorcycle and there was an 'O'-ring in a bore. The service manual said to make sure the 'O'-ring was 'proud'. It took us a little while and a lot of questions to find out that's the English term for 'protrudes' or 'sticks up above the rest'!! |
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Roger Gazur
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SC397
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WesternRed
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With the 1.581 compression height Speed Pro pistons you should get away with it, Wiseco are 1.590 Compression height and I have factory spec down as 1.601 from somewhere. General consensus is that the aftermarket pistons often have a slightly lower compression height to allow for decking the block. Anything like this you really need to measure up, because you probably don't know how far a block has already been decked in nearly 50 years since it rolled out of the factory and all of the factory measurements has a bit of tolerance in them too.
If the 343 is just a temporary solution, then I wouldn't get too carried away with it, stick with the square port heads, grab an aluminium 4 barrel intake or just use the factory cast iron on and stick a bit of cam into it. |
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uncljohn
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The question was "Bang for the Buck?"
For my money a cam. It is also the most work, but the biggest benefit from one singe thing. Stay under a half inch lift and it is a bolt in with no need to change or modify valve train. As to compression? Don't run more than available gasoline can support. |
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