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billd
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Posted: Dec/29/2008 at 9:55am |
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The only thing I need to be concerned with is CLEARANCE - this is an EAGLE and there's the front differential and bracket that holds it in place.
I've got headers for a 258 or whatever, when when I hold them up to my 80 Eagle engine with the differential bracket bolted to the block, the headers run smack into that bracket. Not just a little, but they really run into it. Not even close to bolting up.
So I do need to be concerned with where the exhaust outlet is aimed and if the pipe will bolt up and clear all that 4x4 stuff.
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Posted: Dec/29/2008 at 10:39am |
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The 4.0L exhaust manifolds exit about the same position, right at #5 cylinder, but point in different directions and the shape is different. H.O model is a bit better flowing, but Renix model generally clears better in the Eagle. Here are photos of both:
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RamblinAMC
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Posted: Dec/29/2008 at 7:03pm |
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I did an HEI (DUI) and a set of Hooker Comp headers on my 258 in my 73 Gremlin and noticed a bit more power.And about 3-4 MPG change.If I install the AMX 3:55 rear end I have for it,should make a world of difference over the 2:73? geared rear I have now.
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forest
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Posted: Dec/29/2008 at 9:42pm |
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how well did the hooker headers clear the chassis and trans on the gremlin? Where did you get the headers and what was the part number? Thanks
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RamblinAMC
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Posted: Dec/29/2008 at 11:16pm |
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I got them on Ebay about 6 years ago,still new in the box.I don't know the part number,I threw out the box after I installed them.I do know they no longer make them.Probably been a long time since they were made.The instuctions said they were for a 70-72 Gremlin with an auto trans.Mine is a 73 but there isn't any difference.They clear everything just fine,but were alot of fun to get in.I remember saying a few 4 letter words on the install.
I have learned one thing,doing this front end rebuild with the headers in has made it more interesting.Not much room to get to the strut rod nuts,strut rod bracket bolts and the rear bolt on the upper control arm.But I think the headers are going to come out anyway so I can change the intake manifold and install a EFI setup.
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forest
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Posted: Dec/29/2008 at 11:51pm |
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Ill buy your headers if you are taking them off for good. I am about to start making my own header and really am dreading it. I have the skill, tools, and resources to build a sick header, but the time is short and I really don't want to....
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Posted: Dec/29/2008 at 11:56pm |
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I was actually just going to pull them off and re paint them.
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Posted: Dec/30/2008 at 9:54pm |
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that sucks, I hate stuff that takes 30hrs to do right...
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RamblinAMC
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Posted: Dec/31/2008 at 1:17am |
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It would be cool if someone started making some nice aftermarket stuff for the AMCs.They seem to be growing in popularity.
I have Jeepsters (Commandos) also and there is not much aftermarket support there either.But one of the members of the Jeepster forum I get on started making quite a few aftermarket parts for them.He does quite well considering how few Jeepsters were actually made.In comparison to Gremlins,Javelins etc.
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Posted: Dec/31/2008 at 10:46am |
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There's not a lot of aftermarket engine parts available for AMC, but at least we know the ones that are available are the ones that work! Popularity doesn't always mean "work", but in this case it does. There are 20+ intakes available for SBCs and Fords. There are only a few for AMC, but that makes it easy to pick. Want more than the iron intake but still want to maintain all weather drivability? Get a Performer or an Offenhauser intake. If cold weather driving isn't a concern get the Air Gap. If you want high rpm performance get the Torker. There are a few other choices for high performance -- Herman Lewis and Indy for example. But you don't have to consider 10 different intakes that do basically the same thing. It's easier to put a working combo together, though I know some like the idea of more choices. Edelbrock prices the AMC intakes only slightly higher than their other make models, so price isn't a big concern. The difference is only due to lower quantities made and sold. I wouldn't be surprised it they make a bit less on the AMC parts than others.
A nice "shorty" style header for the 199/232/258 AMC six would be good -- a one-size-fits-all type. Best bet now is really to get a 4.0L head and use the stock tubular exhaust manifold or a Borla. One of those could be re-worked to fit a 258 head, just not the old model big port heads. Cut the flange off, "massage" the tube ends to fit a 258 flange. A cone shaped "collector" could be fabbed to match the big port heads if you've got the time and skill. It's a thought, anyway! I'd just go with the 4.0L head -- they aren't expensive at pull-a-part yards anyway. |
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